Psychedelic Bump VI

well someone else had a mild trip from ~200 mg of the same extract...

 

45mg of 2c-e was amazing. It was cosmos is was death it was heaven and hell at the same time. I cant even begin to describe the events that took over me while tripping. Pure awesomeness!! 60mg next time for sure but maybe that will be my cap.

 

My response of "No." was one response when I was drunk, in the middle of a couple heated debates here and had just lost the will to type anything more.

My position to 50mg 2c-e and doses like it, and deeper psychedelics themselves such as DMT etc. (at this point in my life) is that I just don't want to experience that for fear of what it could do. I know you all say this is pointless but look at the 4-aco-dmt perma fry thread.

I would absolutely hate to come off as an arrogant hedonistic twat on this forum as this is not what I am. There are also times where I have limited my responses as I think others have said parts for me, for instance p0ly and porkstock before me.

 

I suppose this is where Cosmo got the impression that I am promoting psychedelics as purely for enjoyment. I am not. I just think that for me going down the road of exploring my mind with ultra high doses of sikes would not be a good idea. I don't want to grow like that, I want to grow by doing things that make a difference, by affecting other peoples perceptions and impressions, by debating. And this is why I will only dose with other people.

I simply do not subscribe to the train of thought that psychedelics help you to grow that much. Thy could perhaps, and surely for some people they do. but if I've learnt anything from taking drugs it is that using different substances will radically alter who you are from then on, and for me I want a stable impression of my sense of self which is guided by sobriety/rationality more than anything religious, spiritual etc. however real they may be to some people they are not a universal truth.

 

it's cool that you want to only do low doses, and with other people. that may change someday when your mind is in a different place. i think one can learn a lot more by taking a quality psychedelic with a close friend or two, than by getting drunk with them. i've had great nights with alcohol and friends, but the few times where i've tripped with them has been amazing. now, think what it would be like if psychedelics didn't make you into a criminal and were approved by society. i think that'd be much "better" than using alcohol to enhance your life.

so you don't think that CHANGE and GROWTH are the same thing? i don't either, but they can be. if psychedelics have the potential too drastically change you, why can't they help you grow if you use them in the right set and setting and dosage, which in your case is fine if it's lower than all the ballers on HF

 

I've given DMT to people who HATE psychedelics with a passion and actively hate on them (i've heard them speak hatred towards Ketamine, LSD, 2C-E on many occasions and they've tried them) and guess what they fucking loved it!! People seem to put DMT on this massive pedestal on this forum and it makes me laugh! It's great and much easier than Psilocin/LSD etc in my experience and everyone i've done it with (about 20 people).

Someone will come along and say that DMT isn't how all of my experiences are though

I've smoked it 50-100 times.

 

Well tripping with friends is amazing yes. It is incredible and I would never want to extract from the experience the company of a friend.

The key word is psychedelic potential for growth/change. My opinion is based on the fact that I don't want to take a massive chance by dosing too high as fear of further destabilizing what is already surely not the most sane of minds.

I can certainly see how like you say if my head was in a better place I could begin to appreciate where people are coming from and I would think yeah, why the hell not, let's do this. being ready and accepting of that, I can't imagine the incredible experience that could be had and such a precondition would surely decrease the chances of any negative effects actually occurring.

So whilst I say this is my position it's not as if I don't appreciate the position of other users here, I just realise that I am limited by my self. That may be a sad thing I don't know, but I don't want to challenge it.

Does that answer your thoughts Pork?

One of the things really fascinating about this forum is that the reception is so open minded and considerate that it allows for an environment where I can just put my thoughts out there, without re-reading the post and constantly thinking should I say this should I not, these posts are just my opinions at any one moment in time. And this is great because it's cool to have them challenged/questioned. I thank y'all for making this place as hip as it is.

Unfortunately the side effect of that is that my posts might not sometimes make sense/might even contradict themselves (hopefully not) or might just be somewhat irrelevant. So apologies if I have over the past 24 hours been flogging a dead horse so to speak debating different peoples opinions on drug use.

 

^^yeah you answered most of my questions i think. thank you. just in the few days i've seen you around, you've made a hell of a contribution, man. so thanks for joining and presumably sticking around!

i still have a bit of an issue with your view on alcohol vs. psychedelics, but maybe you meant alcohol vs. HIGH DOSE psychedelics FOR YOU

 

Hahaha I have issues with my view on alcohol!! Alcohol is just crazy shit. Absolutely fucking crazy. It can be the best and it can be the worrrrrrsssst.

Looked at as a substance it's pretty shit. It's the things that happen when you're drinking and the conversations/meeting people, having more confidence that doesn't seem as artificial as with other drugs. And I agree if psychedelics were legal and used in the way you say then psychedelics too would carry those benefits much more than they already do.

I view drugs as being an experience enhancer, not necessarily an experience unto themselves and I think that too is maybe just some sort of wishful thinking, that since I'm not addicted to mephedrone anymore I want to consciously think about how I use.
And maybe I'm fooling myself into thinking that by doing that I'm being more sensible, but I don't care because the act of thinking about it itself says enough.

My views on drugs are heavily shaped on that addiction. It was one of the most powerful experiences of my life and just introduced a lot of new possibilities/thoughts/feelings/desires/degrees of things than were ever there before.
Also there are times when I wish I could take it back.
Hence the guilt/anxiety about psychs regardless of their dose.
I suppose as well it amounts to respect for the molecules as well as for myself.

I am very appreciative of your comments man thank you so much. Part of the reason I have made such a contribution in the past 24 hours was that I stayed up til 5am after getting in with a friend who had a bad time on some Ketamine at around 2, she fell pretty much straight asleep and so I stayed up listening to tunes drinkin some beers n jus makin sure she was okay. It had been a big night for me because I really enjoyed myself and danced loads. This is not something I usually do, but I had the confidence to do so without even being that drunk to begin with.

This was also due in part to my recent break from weed which has sorted my thoughts out a hell of a lot, and even when there was a spliff at this event which was a sort of mix of Yorkshire culture, it's in a working mens club that acts as a venue yknow, reggae, dancehall, roots, dubstep, free caribean food etc. etc. Anyway I chose not to have this spliff and just felt great for going without. Incidentally I had a cigarette instead.

Don't get me started on cigarettes they're just fucking evil too. but like alcohol was the alternative last night and turned out pretty well (in moderation) the cigarette turned out to be the lesser of two evils in comparison to the spliff.

 

some drugs are an experience enhancer, like cannabis, alcohol, caffeine, maybe even MDMA

but others are can be an EXPERIENCE. LSD and mushrooms as two examples.

 

For sure yeah that is true actually. I suppose I just mean I wanna place importance on the undrlying experiences, and it's these that I think help you grow and live, more than the overarching effects of the drugs at the time.

 

For anyone who cares, I still haven't received my order, after more than a month of waiting. I contacted my vendor though, and they told me that a few orders that were shipped out around the time mine was shipped were only just received within the past few days, so that eased my mind a bit. They told me to contact them again in a week and, if I still haven't gotten my order, we can work out a way to make it right. Such wonderful customer service

 

i found a real nice vendor.. very legit with many substances and good prices. anyways bump for ~20 mg 4-ho-met and a lot of alcohol. shit is about to get psychedelic ))

 

alcohol can sometimes reduce the effects of psychedelics. what makes you wanna combine tripping with getting drunk just out of curiosity?

 

This is the quite possibly my favorite episode of my favorite show EVER! Season three, episode 19, entitled: Lysergic Acid Diethylamide!!! Fuckin' Fringe kicks ass!!! (and so does 900ug LSD, oh my fuckin' gawd, red star microdots are the cleanest, purest, gentlest Lucy I've ever munched in my LIFE!!!)... here y'all go, enjoy!

http://www.hulu.com/watch/229604/fringe-lysergic-acid-diethylamide#s-p1-so-i0

 

^^^i like candy too!

 

Dood, I can't even contemplate 900. You're just a madman Cosmo, pure and simple :svengo:

 

^^900 ug AFTER binging on several other psychedelics the day(s) leading up to it. and dosed one dot here, two dots there, over a few hours. just staggering doses probably effectively halves it. so 900 ug is more like 500 ug. add a massive tolerance to that and it's probably closer to taking 250 ug (still a hefty dose)

6 hits like cosmo took 'em is like someone waiting a month between trips and taking 2 or 3 at once

 

Took my bfs leftover dot today. I couldn't let that lil dot sit in the freezer all alone. I Will be alone today, should be interesting.

 

Ya, I caught that part. It's funny, the convo that happened about jumping in with both feet. I just read this recently on The Luminist, (a guide from the 60's)

A guide to therapy with LSD from the early 60's that I quoted somewhere here awhile ago talked about common doses being 200 and up, and that ranges in the 900's had been used several times.

Maybe it's the 25 yrs, or my older brain, or most likely being an L lightweight, but 150ug like I said, blew the doors off the hinges. I've felt like the 30+ amounts of E and 4 aco I've had were 'recreational' in contrast.