Psychedelic Bump VIII

My experience with it was pretty underwhelming. Its all show and no soul. I didn't even really find it to be that visual.

Yesterday my grandpa had hours left accorrding to nurse. He has been having long periods of no breathing since. How long can someone do this? Its nerve wracking. Great time to run out of Klonopins AND weed.

 

of course k, mxe, dxm etc aren't psys. last time i did mdma was november at a london psytrance party.

i have probably tried mda but i've never been sold something as mda so can't really comment.

I do consider 2C a psychedelic. Reason why i don't find MDMA a psychedelic is because i know people who trip out on Mephedrone, Amphetamine etc and they are clearly not psychedelic at all.

 

I also don't feel that differently on MDMA to mephe or amphet but when i take higher MDMA doses i just get way more messed up .

 

Is Tiësto worth seeing? Oh and freakin Bassnectar is playing in TX at the Verizon Theatre but there is no way I will be able to make it.

 

Yah mephedrone is pretty similar to MDMA in alot of ways, I don't really find amphetamine or crystal meth all that similar besides when it's in Ecstasy pills.

I think those Dox chemicals which are amphetamines would be considered psychedelics by anyone pretty much and there are a lot of other stimulating phenethylamines and tryptamines considered psychedelics so i don't think the fact MDMA is an amphetamine excludes it from being a psychedelic, which is the common argument I hear.

 

Do you like Trance? I've heard some say when Tiesto is on he is pretty untouchable but I've heard some nights he just doesn't spin all that good of sets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLq931lOMR4"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLq931lOMR4

 

The venue is kinda shitty. If tix r cheap ill consider.

 

i'm fully aware dox's are amphetamines and never considered it being an amphetamine a reason for it not to be a psychedelic.

i just think if you can say amphet and mephedrone are stims and mdma is a psychedelic then that is just pretty silly.

 

BUMP! ..about to ingest a few mushrooms :sunny: going to head outside and adventure around my neighborhood. I spent some time making some mix cd's to listen to.. but hopefully i feel some effects.. and hopefully these thunderstorms hold off since i will be outside. Need to make myself scarce since my mom gets home in like 30 minutes lol.

may call up my friend to come smoke a little herb with me as well.

Well, I'm outta here.. good vibes to you all!

 

Here is an interesting thing from Andrew Weil regarding MDA but I think it applies to MDMA as well.

"Unlike most stimulants, MDA does not increase motor activity. In fact, it suppresses it in a remarkable way, so that people can remain comfortable and content in one position for long periods. This effect is most dramatic in people who are heavily dependent on coffee and cigarettes, who are always in motion of one sort or another. Under the influence of MDA they, too, can be calm and motionless. Pharmacologists call this the "antikinetic" action of the drug, but that is a negative way of describing something very positive. I prefer to call it a centering action."

 

do you think MDMA is a psychedelic then?

I personally do not and never will.

 

Absolutely, I think it has the potential to create tremendous mind expanding and transformative experiences.

The profundity of my first rave on Ecstasy is up there with my first serious LSD trip and my first Salvia/DMT Breakthrough.

 

back in the day i had amazing mind expanding experiences off ketamine, does this now make it psychedelic?

 

Consider it a psychedelic if you wish, my first K hole was really bizarre no doubt, it certainly distorts consciousness to a great degree. For the sake of my health and the fact I'd be on the shit pretty much daily if I had consistent access to it, I try to keep it in a different category.

I love the quote from Terrence Mckenna about Ketamine "Any drug where your house could be on fire and you wouldn't even notice is dubious." Speaking of Mckenna he also was not a big fan of Ecstasy.

But, MDMA has continued to provide great experience for me and turned on my physical/emotional being in the way no other psychedelic has come close to. I've also discovered so so so much new music because of mdma and met some cool people.

 

Psychedelic means "mind manifesting", emotions are a part of the mind, MDMA makes emotions VERY manifest, so I consider MDMA psychedelic. It may not alter reality but it does alter the mind in a "positive" way, bringing things out in the open.

I did 20mg last night with my gf. It was oddly a lot less visual than 15mg a week ago, but set and setting were totally different. I find the compound to be the tryptamine 2c-b; it's got a very playful, erotic spirit to it, with a BEAUTIFUL visual element going on, really ornate and colorful effects. Sex was unbelievable and while it wasn't even 25% as trippy/emotionally chaotic as mushrooms, there were periods where it showed deep emotional power, eliciting some really touching moments between us. Exactly like 2c-b; you can trip for 4 hours on the stuff doing nothing but laughing at your fingers, and then suddenly there will be a wave of serious introspection that lasts a few minutes, can potentially get real and deep, and then back to heehee haha.

Volupta really liked it, it's very forgiving and aesthetically pleasing, very light on the body aside from some nausea and stomach discomfort (not even as bad as LSD), though the residual stimulation is a bit of a bitch. Erowid lists the length at 4-6 hours, that is how long the primary effects last, but both times I've taken it I was unable to sleep until a solid 8-12 hours later, even with pot and booze.

I am tempted to answer like GM but each chemical is it's own experience, if you want a deep metaphysical journey eat 5g dry mushrooms, if you're looking for a more lighthearted aesthetic experience, 4-ho-met will never let you down IMO. I will be doing 50mg solo next though, I want to really see the visual power of this one.

the ultimate anti-psychedelic combo? all you're missing is heroin

seriously though 800mg meph plugged? 200mg phenazepam? Something's not right here, and I hope it's your product purity.

 

EFFECTS CLASSIFICATION
Euphoric Empathogen; Stimulant; Phenethylamine

from erowid.





EFFECTS CLASSIFICATION
Dissociative Anaesthetic; Psychedelic

for ketamine at erowid.

 

From D.m. Turner Author of The psychedelic Guide and was a big K head

Ecstasy: The heart opening psychedelic

http://www.lavondyss.com/donut/guide/ecstasy.html

I mean I binged out on MDPV and imagined sentinels floating in the sky that could see through my window and pictured a meteor heading for earth, probably more 'tripped' out than I've been on LSD.

So I can accept you not viewing it as a psychedelic but if you want to continue discussion instead of comparing it to other psychedelics or drugs, I'm more interested in what constitutes a psychedelic for you?

 

Also from erowid in the basics section:

MDMA, or 'ecstasy' is a 'psychedelic amphetamine' that has gained popularity over the past 20 years because of its ability to produce strong feelings of comfort, empathy, and connection to others.

 

I'm spamming here but Bump for receiving my needles!!! arty::dizzy2:

Now I just need to wait for my mxe eppermintstick:

 

i feel like the same thing could be said for alcohol. it can make some people very emotional.

but that's stupid, i know alcohol doesn't do what MDMA does, even only having tried MDMA once. i wouldn't call it a psychedelic based on that one experience, but that's obviously a small sample size.


i guess i'd have a hard time defining what psychedelic is, to answer your question GB. but i know it when i see / experience it
i would say a psychedelic is something that, when ingested, causes:

-the user's thought patterns to change pretty drastically
-visuals, as well as other sensory effects (audio, olfactory, tactile)
-synesthesia

of course i would have little purpose for a definition like this. anyone that i'm gonna share a psychedelic with, probably knows SOMETHING about them already.