Psychedelic Bump XVI

Not that brave. I don't think I'd do it again. Not soon anyways. I was in a very good mood yesterday - kinda proud of finally had taken the plunge. But yesterday night I smoked a joint and then went to bed still super high and had a bit of a panic attack when everything got quiet. I guess I started ''remembering'' more of how it felt, and that's when it really hit me that the whole thing was terrifying. I kinda felt like when I was a little kid having nightmares. My mind started racing, and I was in a half awake/half asleep state just imagining a bunch of weird shit. It sucked! I ended up taking a benzo and going to sleep.

I'm not too worried about it just yet though. I'm guessing it's normal since the whole experience was SO unsettling.

I'm guessing this is what people mean when they talk about ''integrating'' your experience.

 

do you think the point of mushrooms is to get high? cuz it seems like that's what you did. if you want to do that, fine with me. who am i to say that you can't use mushrooms like that? but a "proper" way to do mushrooms or any psychedelic IMO is to pick a dose, and take the whole thing at once.

as far as DMT goes...i do plan on doing a higher dose. i've played around with *loaded* doses of 30-40 ish milligrams. who knows how much i'm actually getting. since i just got a new batch that is likely to be stronger, i'm starting with 30 mg. i'm not really aiming to breakthrough yet. for the time being, simply vaping DMT in the first place if far enough outside of my comfort zone.

 

Is there a "point" to mushrooms or any psychedelic?
Isn't the point going to be different for every individual and for every experience?

As I've mentioned before, every trip does not have to be a full blown, take the top of your head off experience. Much can be said for the benefits of low-medium dose experiences. I for one often enjoy such doses for the different perspective they can afford without the need for a complete submersion into the experience. For some "dipping your toes in" first is a good option rather than going full bore into psychedelics.

Having said that, I do agree with eatlysergic and Writer in regards to doing a full hefty dose at least a few times, otherwise you do get left with an impression of "Mehh, what's the big deal?" concerning psychedelics.
There are magnitudes of difference between 1 gram of shrooms and 4 grams, or 100ugs of LSD and 500ugs. Low doses will never convey the full power and potential psychedelics can possess.
Conversely, those who never experience low dose trips are also missing out on another aspect of the psychedelic experience.

Concerning your specific experience, eggsprog, you did do a couple things in not the best way.
Tolerance to psychedelic substance develops very rapidly, within hours. So spacing out low doses really is a waste of material because tolerance kicks in and you just don't get all you could from subsequent re-dosing.

Another is the poly-drug use. If you want to learn about/from psychedelics then it is best to just stick with the chosen substance and avoid mixing with other stuff, at least until you are familiar and experienced with the psychedelic in question.
Weed tends to be the most universally synergistic with psychedelics, but also can have the most dramatic effect on the experience. Save it for the downward side of the trip.
Alcohol can ease tensions going into and coming down, but too much may have very detrimental effects on the experience.
Amphetamines are just about the absolute worst thing to combine with any psychedelics. They tend to overide most other substances and the inherent paranoia that some people experience usually doesn't mix well with a psychedelic journey.
I've seen/experienced first hand the bad result of amphetamine/psychedelic combos before, not much fun.
Save the speed for a night of drinking if you must consume such garbage.

It's not that you were "doing it wrong" but more that the way you did it didn't really give you an idea of what mushrooms are really like.

 

I've heard others mention feeling higher than normal smoking weed after Salvia, so yah taking it kinda easy for the next few days may be wise.

 

Weed is certainly the most commonly used combo with psychedelics but most synergistic is highly debatable. In fact what eggsprog did with the Shrooms + MDMA is create a synergy that's known as 'hippy flipping', I'm actually slightly envious as I have yet to explore that synergistic combination. MDMA is the only psychedelic I know of that's synergistic properties are so pronounced that they have a whole variety of names that come in the wake of combinations. Here is some further information about it...

A flip is a combination of ecstacy and another drug. The ecstacy
in most cases insures a positive trip and makes the other drug more
friendlier and usually very intense. Any insights gained while on the
other drug are immideatly clarified by the ecstacy. Here are several other MDMA synergies that are fairly common.

Candy Flipping (LSD & MDMA)
Hippy Flipping (Shrooms & MDMA)
Love Flipping (Mescaline & MDMA)
Kitty Flipping (Ketamine & MDMA)
Elephant Flipping (PCP & MDMA)
Robo Flipping (DXM & MDMA)
Nexus Flipping (2-CB & MDMA)
Sparkle Flipping (2-ce & MDMA)
Time Flipping (DMT & MDMA)
Adam & Eve in the garden of Eden (MDMA, MDEA, & MBDB)

 

the amphetamines were a pretty low dose, and i wouldn't have bothered with them if i had planned on eating the mushrooms, but it just kind of happened. setting was good, i was in the right mindset, so i figured i'd go for it. in general i'm a cautious person, so i wasn't comfortable taking a large dose the first time. after an hour i regretted taking such a small dose, and decided to add the mdma (along with a little bit more mushrooms) because i wanted a little bit more. i knew there would be tolerance, but that didn't really bother me.

next time i eat mushrooms it will be a higher dose without mixing drugs, but it wasn't like that yesterday, so oh well.

i have done my research, and i don't take these things lightly. it's not like anything i did could have caused me any harm, and i enjoyed myself, so i don't really see where i went 'wrong'. maybe i didn't have a 'real' psychedelic experience, but that wasn't really what i went into it looking for.

i appreciate everyone's advice and i know that even what comes across as negative/aggressive comes from experienced members wanting to help. in the future things will be planned out better, and will probably be with a friend and a sitter.

 

i dunno man.. i sure do love the high and body buzz a 0.5-1.0g of boomers will give me.. almost opiate in nature... and then i get all giggly and happy.. no confusion that higher dosages of mushrooms will give me.. with very slight visuals more CEV than anything.. maybe tracers if i focus in on something... i love mushrooms at this level

 

this is the psychedelic abuse forum..

 

like i said in the post you quoted, who am i to say you can't use mushrooms like that?

the lowest amount of mushrooms i've ever eaten was 1 gram, and they were some potent mexican strain. so to be fair, i don't really KNOW, but i doubt i'd get much from half a gram of shrooms

 

That sounds fantastic.

 

anytime I've tried salvia recently I just black out and when I come back it takes me a while to put things back together.

It's probably the only substance I've taken to achieve an altered state that I didn't like. The first time was good actually.

 

I wanna try Salvia tincture again but hold it for alot longer before swallowing. I hear the trip is way more comfy and takes about 40 mins.

 

I've been entertaining the idea of attempting Salvia extracts sublingual for a couple months now, Gonna taste nasty I'm sure and I most likely want to use it as a flip with 6apb.

 

well i vaped 30 mg of DMT. i shoulda loaded more

the trip is so fleeting!
started out with the usual insanely beautiful patterning. which starts to look like a face. it felt like (i don't really believe this) vaping the DMT sent me to a different world with these beings or entities that have to quickly choose which one has to watch over me. it seems like an interruption and a chore to them.

this time they appeared to actually be at work in an office, hurriedly walking around. they were wearing "concrete" suits that could merge with walls and let them blend into the surroundings that i don't normally perceive. they also had "dreadlocks" and seemed like black women though i could not see their face or skin.
then i just too quickly faded back to reality.

i can also not seem to get quite comfortable on that stuff. i lay back in my recliner after smoking it, and i feel the need to shift, but every time i do it interferes with the visuals and the trip.

it's a tricky one, but i like it:devil:

 

That honestly sounds like a breakthrough. I don't usually hear such vivid descriptions of entities on sub breakthrough trips. Although I'm sure you're perfectly capable of determining whether or not you did break through. If 30 mg is doing that much for you then maybe 50 is a better dose for a breakthrough attempt.

 

it's not as vivid as i described it. that's all sorta just in my imagination. and it seriously only lasts for like one minute. the beautiful geometrical patterns start very quickly after i close my eyes, but they almost disappear if i open my eyes during the trip (they come back upon re-closing).

i mean the CEVs are super strong and "real," but the entities i described were more just an imagination thing. i can sorta "build" them out of the visual patterns.

i know that i'm just dipping my toe (maybe my foot) in. i feel like i'm in a hypergalactic office waiting room. there is definitely something wild on the other side of that "door"

 

Yeah to me this sounds like a need for refinement in dosing technique. You need to get more into you faster. Basically think in terms of having one (1) minute. Don't waste a single second. Make sure you're calm, hydrated, deep-breathed, etc, before you do it and really make that first hit count. Vape/burn as much of that 30 mgs as you can in UNDER 60 seconds. And within that, . ... . . while taking hits, . . . hold each individual hit as long as you are comfortably able to. . . .

 

The method I finally started using with the bong and the copper choreboy worked better for me than trying to vape it with a tube or a vaporizer also trying the sammich tech with weed. I emptied the bong of water, took a chunk of choreboy and mashed it into a qtr inch (maybe a lil more) thick round 'screen'. I made it a little bit fluffy so air could pass through it but dense enough so that the dmt didn't melt through it. I took a torch lighter to it to heat it up and to burn off any contaminates then while it was still hot, dropped the dmt on it. It makes the dmt melt into it. Then I would smoke it by taking the torch to it and inhaling steadily until my lungs were full. That usually got it all in one hit. I would hit it one more time just in case there was anything left, I rarely got a second hit because the first one usually got it all. That method worked every time extremely well. Within seconds I was zooming off into hyperspace!

I like sitting down on the floor with my legs crossed like in a meditation pose with the bong on the floor and leaning over to hit it leaving the bong on the floor then when it hits me I would just close my eyes and relax with my head cradled in my hands or just leaned forward, head down, with my arms resting on my legs hands open, palms up.

I miss dmt! I can't wait to get some more! I'm itching for it!

 

^^lotus position!

in chat tonight i was advised to smoke it in the lotus position.

i tried to vape 45 mg tonight. i DO try to take the biggest first hit possible. i take pretty big hits too it's hard since i'm also hitting it LIGHTLY so i don't flame the dmt too much. and if i hold my hits for a long time, i really only have time for 2. guess i should be able to get it in, but i can't seem too. i usually take 4 or 5 hits (most of it is the herb i add in) before i can't really manipulate the lighter much more.

i really should get some screens.

this time i loaded into my narrower slide. i had been using a really wide one with a lot of surface area, but also fits more herb. this one i just need a tiny layer of ash/herb, then dmt concentrated in one area, with just a touch more herb on top.

tonight's dose was super intense, but i sorta forgot what happened. it really messed with my sinuses, and i could barely swallow a drink of water after i came out of it. it was like my tongue was stuck to the inside of my nasal cavity

i guess that's why spicey just said to be well hydrated and deep breaths, FIRST

 

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