Psychedelic Bump XVI

Pretty sad that you don't even recall his name then. Jerry Cantrell was in Alice in Chains as well there Cosmo.

 

Like always guerr, you fail to grasp my notion. I know whose bought it and whose not, I tend not try to recall the bad shit, & it's smeared all over both bands. Temporal lobe damage effects short-term memory so yes it is sad "dude".

 

Interesting points.

Personally I've never done high doses of anything but it's not fair to say I "shy away" from "even middle-range erowid doses". Just for the sake of accuracy, at this point I've had two 2c-e trips that Erowid would call "common" dosage, and one they would call "strong" dosage.

HipForums is one great source of research but the cultural environment here has become tailored to a community of heavy users. Researching other outlets, like Erowid, can give an idea what less-hardcore people (and though H has done and loved several different psych's, I honestly just don't think he's as hardcore of a druggie as Writer, or Pork, or GB...not even close!) can expect from these substances.

For my part, I am having to overcome years of anti-drug bias to begin exploring this culture, so I have always played it super-safe with the flirtatious doses you talk about (again bearing in mind my only psych's to this point are LSD and 2c-e). 2c-e in particular has a reputation for a steep dosage-response curve, so I really don't see the downside starting small and increasing slowly. (In fact, you probably agree with that, we just have different ideas of what constitutes "small" haha).

I could foresee myself BECOMING as cavalier or as comfortable as some on here, but I'm just not there yet. The fact that H chose a 6-8mg dose doesn't say he will be disappointed; it merely says he thinks more the way I do about these things than the way you do.

Put another way: disappointment can only come from frustration of expectation. If he's not expecting more than he does get, how can he be disappointed? He's done his research: on Erowid, here on HipForums, listening to me share about my 2c-e experiences, and elsewhere, so I think he has an idea what to expect from a small dose. Simple as that.

 

would anyone recommend smoking pentedrone or 4mec?

 

I am experiencing a fairly pleasant afterglow from the 2ce trip yesterday, about on par with some of my San Pedro afterglows. Pretty cool stuff.

 

btw, the weed and northern lights were spectacular last night!!!

 

cool :afro:

I think H will be fine with his small dose, I am a big fan of small doses for newbies. If he don't feel much then he will want more next time but if he has any experience then 12-15mg seems like the way to go. It's difficult for alot of people to just jump into the psychedelic experience without feeling some confidence about whether or not they can handle it.

I was really scared of 2c-e because of all the trip reports I read about people freaking out but then I tried it, it was actually quite nice.

 

What the hell, bump for 2ce tonight. Cousin's first time so probably 15mg for him.

 

you're not dead because of the reasons that writer mentioned. your tolerance IS massive despite what you think, and i'm pretty sure all your scripts DO dull down a psychedelic trip. or at least muck it up so fucking bad that you can't tell what is what.

i seriously doubt there are 10 people lurking that push the boundaries to such dangerous levels as yourself. i'd be surprised if there was ONE.

and you DO recommend shit to other people ALL the time.

i've only taken 2ce from 12-20 mg, so i dunno where you get this hardcore druggie impression of me.

i am one of the most cautious people on HFs, ask any of the regulars.

i don't really think starting with 6 or 8 mg of 2ce is the least bit safer than starting with 10 or 12 mg, which might actually give you a taste of a trip. i don't think 6-8 mg would really, but i don't know.

just wanted to illustrate that when pork says "increase dose" it's not like all the others. i am very timid with my dosing and the doses that i'd recommend to others.

 

Think & feel as you two wish. I still love y'all and you're my ehomies so I guess that's that--but you are wrong on all counts pork.

 

so you DON'T have an accumulated tolerance to psychedelics from dosing so often? how many times have you tripped in the last month or two?
i think i likely have a small accumulated tolerance from tripping about once a month for the past few years.

you DON'T tell people they need to IM a certain amount of 2cb + 2cc? you don't recommend that people take asinine doses of other psychedelics in combination with each other?
i didn't see you recommend this 2cb + speedball + booze + etc etc to anyone, but you've definitely done it several times before.

other drugs DON'T affect psychedelics? is that why i've barely tripped the time or two that i've dosed when i was drunk? is that why people routinely use benzos to abort a trip? i'm not positive about opiates, but my guess is that they DO dull a trip at least a bit, and i've heard the same, online and in person.

and there ARE ten other people that behave like yourself? show me two, e-homie

you're fuckin crazy. don't try to debate it

 

Fair nuff bout a few points like being nutssssss, but I've just said I did that shit, that it's fun but never recommended it.

 

don't make me go back and quote stuff dude

 

Sigh... ok. I'll be mindful of others and all, I don't wanna debate this obvious issue if 3 out of 3 peeps say they like your post best you are likely spot on. I like you and most here, so don't construe my lack of fresh memories as argumentative. This board is a sacred place IMHO. So I don't want bad blood, especially with you or writer pork. I tell ya what, if you guys are really that alarmed and shocked by my behavior I'll do my best to get myself in check. Don't anticipate my IV drug use and such to stop, but I can make good on being mindful of my actions. I can't tell you who except in a PM & even then only with their permission but I'm not making up the ten give or take a few who take it to the extreme levels as me, & arguably most of them don't have as serious drug/life issues like me. I will say that due to preexisting health problems and mostly taking my scripts as prescribed sikes actually do treat me the way they do most. Look man, sure I do questionably dangerous stuff, but knowing I have short time in this mortal coil, I do as I do cuz I wanna experience all that I can. I don't expect anyone nor want others to get hurt or die gawd forbid due to my words. I just want to put this to rest. DISCLAIMER: So don't say to yourself whomever you are reading this that following my example is safe or sane. If you do, know the risks and you'd best not be afraid of the hereafter.

 

Oh yeah, over 7/8ths of those people don't post here anymore. One I know I could mention is Magical Mystery Tourguide. I guess most of the nutjobs don't post under their previous monikers as far as I know. Iron Oxide fits the bill too. But anyone else I won't talk about, out of respect since a few or actually more I know irl.

 

Fair enough man.

"Hardcore druggie" has kind of a negative ring, doesn't it? Absolutely did not mean it in a negative way. More just intended to mean "adventurous and experienced".

 

I think I may becoming schizophrenic, this is some fucked shit. Do any of you who do 'delics ever feel this way?

 

I am not experienced on psychs nor have i really taken any so i don't really post here but i did feel like adding that i am quite fond of GB and i wouldn't say hes a hardcore druggie either...

I think adventurous and experienced are much better words of choice.

Oh and i am jelous of the lights.. i wish i could see something like that.

 

All the time. Read above.

 

Agreed. I like GB, and Pork, and Writer.