Psychedelic Bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvCNg4WG998"]YouTube- Giant Panda Guerilla Dub Squad "Easy Buffalo" 7-25-07 Denver

 

yea, not really my favorite type of music, but it's not bad. there are gonna be sooo many hippies at that show

i've researched 2ce more than any other drug. but on this point i'm speaking only about what i've read. 15 mg snorted is roughly equivalent to 30 mg oral. a lot of people seem to agree thought that snorted 2ce doesn't give the "full experience." (they seem to be of a certain type - take psychedelics to learn/ have a spiritual experience, etc etc). they say that 2ce is meant to be taken orally. OR rectally, if that's what you mean by other forms.
15 mg rectally could be roughly equivalent to 30 or possibly up to 45 mg orally. like snorting, it will have a fast onset, and rougher comeup. it's said not to burn very much, while snorting burns like hell. it's tolerable though, and the pain doesn't last that long (snorting).
i personally think that snorting 2cxs is an added danger. i trip fine from eating it. snorting or rectal admin get around first pass metabolism, which i SHOULD understand more thoroughly, but i only know what others have said, so i'm not sure how accurate it is.

and to add a more personally note: i witnessed a buddy snort ~5-10 mg 2ce on three or four separate occasions. he was used to snorting pills - mainly oxy, and when he first tried 2ce...well it was HILARIOUS because i was already feeling my oral dose from an hour earlier. but his eyes instantly turned red and welled up with tears, he hollered "WHOA, that burns!" or something to that effect. i believe he also said "i dunno if i wanna do any more of that" a few minutes before he snorted the rest
we went outside and he complained of nausea, but thought it was due to coming up so fucking fast (he had only done acid and shrooms before i think) and more of like a motion sickness. he would also (obviously) come down before me (he would snort his like an hour or two after i ate mine) and say he didn't think he tripped as hard as i did (from taking an eyeballed half of my oral dose)

 

I have no idea honestly, I have only dosed by drinking it mixed with water.

The crowd was extremely mixed on styles, which was refreshing. I'm pretty sure I saw some dude with dreads give a guy in front of me something which was quickly put in his mouth, I assume it was acid haha. There were a lot of hot girls too. Anyways, they played a good show, and they have a pretty trippy light show as well. Nothing too crazy but when mixed with the venue's normal lighting it was pretty badass. They have such pleasant, relaxing music. I was completely in the moment, happy and radiating with positive energy.

 

i'll be going with my girlfriend. hopefully i can convince her to let me take some 2ce, or i may have to do it anyways

there wasn't any mosh pitting or shit like that was there? i wouldn't think so, but i've been to a concert on acid, where i was sure the crowd would be calm, and i found myself peaking with my tiny, sober girlfriend in the middle of a mosh pit. i didn't appreciate that.

i first heard them on pandora radio - the song pachua sunrise. it's the only one i know really, besides Knights

you should try mixing your 2ce with some juice. i shudder just recalling the taste.

 

Up the bum eh ? I tried that with 4 Meo PCP not my fondest roa. You read anything regarding im injection?

 

YourKnowItsBumpedWhen...

Again, I have lived life beyond the balance for so long I dont meter and document everything anymore. My journals would only be cause for embarrassing or blackmailing me, and serve little purpose as the prose might as easily be about me as it is 'that which I do'.

Plugging 1g+. Aside off-set biorythms (I live at an extreme latutude, so seasonal duration of daylight is always varying from both extremes... I actually feel BETTER the next day 'on average' aside the perceived disappointment others seem to display of me. I might be imagining things here, but guess it is true to an extent, that 'I am not impressing anyone (positively)'.

Thanks for commenting.

Proud? Ohman, I'm the shyguy irl who just boasts/rants to e-vent, maybe. But I'll thankfully take and acknowledge your well wishes, and against my first-take judgment, will reconsider a 'TR' of sort for others, but I am scared of the vulnerability

Yes, literally days.

'Negative' effects? Well Its changed over time, at first I was shocked by the experience and found it very mind opening. Increasingly often I 'bad trip' while hiding my use at night, but maybe being a prouder guinea pig will change that.

I expect my use will end, and the supply to not be a bottomless cornucopia or my existence eternal in this form.

WRT addictionvsabuse - I leave that to others as I am preoccupied living my life atm. I am not going to debate/discuss with tobacco users about their habits, but I have been known to grab one when they are unconsciously offered to me, and make a grand display of breaking it in half in front of them, and asking for another - then turning into a ramble/rant about how 'that stuff kill ya' etc bs a smoker doesn't listen to. Sound familiar? But, I was on the opposite side of this nation for 2 weeks last months and my only 'painful homesicknesses' were not finding weed right away, which was solved in quick order, and secondarily my short supply of medicine (benzo-related) that had to ration down to 'flight only' use. I also rediscovered the 'do not mix with alcohol' rule as when we landed there was lots of beer and rum, and I was nodding out in the cockfight arena watching the action.

Do you re.... aaarg are you my substance treatment councilor now? Lets just say I've been a chronic herb smoker for near 20 years, and this 'new thing' has greatly reduced if not almost stopped MY smoking habit. I'm a long-term poly-(a)buser, and often rationalize my switch from this to that has benefits or meets current limitations of circumstance... I've been known to smoke a tobacco cigarette under extreme stress.

Yes. Sleep deprivation induced mostly, initiated originally with experimenting with MDPV. My 'tweakerisms' are to imagine someones a peeping tom while I masturbate, or that someone is hiding in a shadow and in a false perception I build a nightmare about their actions and intentions while in a fearful paralysis - always these shadowpeople are just drafts and explainable things, I find when fooled to reach out and grab at them.

But yea, if there were more hours in the day, I'd be writing a 'TR' or journal, it is bad that I have not developed that habit ... I am preoccupied as an archivist rather, saving daily news bulletins as they are published as so often these databases of knowledge are eventually removed from public access.

I'll try to tell ya when to start that 'couple months' timer, I mean to contribute, but should know when I am giving out too much. Dislike seeing me do this walk? Well, I just don't know how to take a comment like that.

 

you should stick around the forums even if you stop doing a gram a day
thanks for sharing (like a true NA meeting)

 

pork, i think about it often actually. It was kind of a surprise trip for me, I didn't expect it to be that good but it was intense. i can't comment more without more trials.

 

thought is the essence of where you are now.. :leaving:

 

Bump. SWIM visited with Dimitri recently...

 

bump for insuffalated 2ct2. This stuff has weird f'ing auditory hallucinations.

 

^^^that should tell you about how bad 2ce will burn..

writer, so was the nausea and uncontrollable diarrhea only on the comeup?

 

can you elaborate? was it worse than your body load on 2ce? what did it feel like?

 

there was no nausea, just violent shaking and shitting. and yeah pretty much just the first hour. afterwards it calmed down as the trip became more mental.

 

Ha, sorry dude, didn't mean to interrogate you! I was just curious. Going to school to be a doctor, so I just get in the habit of doing that.
Thanks for taking the time to write up, its some valuable information. I know how it is after the come-down, TR are the last thing you feel like doing, and after that, well, it just never gets done.

Ha, i just meant its a unstudied path, hippie cliche as it may be, i dont like seeing any of my fellow humans harmed. But its the natural process. And your info will go to helping the future of these chems. Thanks dude. :seeya:

 

Ya dude I always mix with juice, haha same reaction for me, I shudder just thinking of the taste. The first time dosing I didn't think it was too bad, but once you experience 2c-e nausea, just the thought of the taste becomes pretty unbearable.

Anyways, no moshing at all at Minus the Bear, it really isn't the right kind of music for it anyways but like you said you never know. I would assume you would be fine though, people were dancing not moshing when I went. And word of advice, the 2 opening bands were just okay, nothing special but not bad either. We got there way early and had to stand in line for 30 minutes and then stand through both their sets while I was coming up, which got me pretty tired both physically and mentally. Minus the Bear distracted me, but my legs were so stiff when we left, I was ready to leave. Have fun.

 

2c-t-2 is worse nasally than 2c-e...the taste is disgusting.:coffee:

 

For me, it was mostly nausea and stomach pain, and it lasted for the whole trip. I never actually puked, but I felt like I needed to. I've always suspected that it had to do with the fact that I mixed the miprocin with Dr. Pepper though. haha I also drank Dr. Pepper throughout the trip. It may have just been too much carbonation. lol

 

yea...my bodyload on miprocin was hardly noticeable...though i only took ~15-18mg.

 

You sure? It wasnt all that bad and I was reading Multiple reports claiming 2ce is far worse, which is why I chose t2 over 2ce last night. There was about 5 minutes where it was burning when the trip started but no initial burn and not really any distinct taste or drip. Maybe I was just to f'd up to notice.