psychological effects

Discussion in 'LSD - Acid Trips' started by Peter Popper, Sep 7, 2007.

  1. daveyjones1

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    my vision has actually improved...
    the static i was talking about is purely mental static. and though i haven't done lsd, the trips i have had more than make up for that fact. i feel that the "trip static" people experience is in all of us. we just happen to notice it. some are driven nuts by it, but others like myself have learned to flow with it and somewhat understand what it is... higher thought? increased awareness? schizophrenia? i can't tell yet :)
    or maybe i'm crazy after all.
     
  2. PsychMyke

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    If you mean "floaters", the little things that look like spermies swimming around in your vision, then yes everyone has them, some worse than others. I forget what they actually are. It has something to do with tiny bits of scar tissue in your eyes...im going by memory here that could be entirely false.

    My static is more like exploading, bristling pixels of color sweeping across my vision. With my eyes closed it closely resembles a sonar screen that you see in the movies on like Navy boats and submarines, the light that sweeps around in a circle and picks up enemy position. Its exactly like that but brighter and its not one solid color...it has the same primary colors i've grown accustomed to seeing in an acid trip (go figure).
     
  3. Peter Popper

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    if you guys have done dxm. than dxm could be your main cause of hppd.
    i dont have hppd.

    havent done dxm in like almost 2 years, and yet i still somtimes see colourd sparks and blobs of colour in my vision. for a few months after taking dxm, it was happening every few seconds, and i remember walking under a carpark at night in the dark, and all i could see was red being shot across everywhere, as if it were a firstick being swung around. dxm is worse than lsd for hppd. n looking at the sky youd see dots n all that shit. all that has significantly passed. pretty much only time i see sparks of colour in my vision, is when im stoned or on lsd.

    since acid. the only mild visual things i somtimes see is drips dripping from the ceiling, which is somthing that happend on lsd. and just patterns in my brain being overlaid into the real world of vision which is somwhat strange. kinda like all these patterens in my waking dream like state, that mildly intertwine with things i look at.

    the ultimate question is, are there people on this forum that have hppd that is getting them down, making them depressed and not as happy in life as they would be without it?
    actually. defining hppd is only when it gets you down or interupts your normal living. somthing like that. i dont know what im rambling, ok im gone.
     
  4. Hemisphere

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    I've never done DXM.
    Yup, that's exactly what they are I think, brain patterns. I've come to that same conclusion before.

    They appear as static most of the time, and like Myke says, they're always these ultra bright primary colours - reds and greens in particular I would say (which makes me think there could be some relation to the common red/green distinguishing colourblindness that many people suffer from).

    When I'm under the influence of drugs however, these patterns become more than just static. I start to see my subconscious thoughts displayed in these patterns. Often it's very abstract stuff, because it literally visualises my thought processes. Letters are a very strong theme, because of my brain is constantly processing language.

    When I look up at the sky, the static manifests itself as a visualised form of the neurons in my brain. Tiny faint little worms they look like, scurrying around, bumping into each other, turning, always moving somewhere with a clear sense of purpose.

    It's really quite fascinating to me to see things like this, but occasionally (particularly when I do acid), my subconscious (along with my ability to visualise it), merges with my conscious interpretation of consensus reality, and that can get too intense for my liking. It results in me seeing letters EVERYWHERE - in trees, on people's skin, on the floor - anywhere I look I see the shapes of letters, melded into my view of the world. And of course since my imagination has now taken residence in my view of reality, I start to hallucinate bigtime.

    This is not the chemical effects of LSD, imo, this is a mental condition brought about by the consumption of LSD. Your subconscious (along with your imagination) has merged with your conscious interpretation of reality. I believe this is basically how LSD works.

    Flashbacks, or HPPD, occurs when the boundaries between your conscious and your subconscious start to break down. Last Sunday I literally "fell" into that state at a party, after being awake for around 36 hours and under the influence of ketamine and a small amount of MDMA. I was in the realms of what I would normally consider to be an acid trip (without taking acid) for around 3 hours, then I got out of it, then I fell back into it. I wasn't truly back to normal until the morning.

    I think those who see this red/green static in their vision have quite literally broken down "the doors of perception". The only reason we see it as static is because our brain is deliberately scrambling the information to protect our sanity. It is only when under the influence of other drugs that I find that this information descrambles. If it wasn't scrambled in this way, I would be permanantly tripping (hallucinations et al).

    Be thankful for the static, and look after your mind. I will follow your lead Myke, and I too will be taking a break from all drugs for several months (well, except the odd line of ketamine if I'm at a party :)!). I think it's definitely for the best.
     
  5. dd3stp233

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    What I am saying is, is that LSD is physically harmless. There are no legitimate medical studies that that support any claim of physical harm done by it as a direct action of the chemical in regular size amounts or even large amounts (up to hundreds and thousands of times an effective dose). Once taken, LSD is completely gone from the body within days. Any lasting changes to a person are psychological in nature and not physical.
     
  6. daveyjones1

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    if the effects are ALL mental, then why does vision deteriorate? because our mind tells us it will? hmph.
     
  7. Peter Popper

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    interesting you say about the words. i remember on acid i looked at the carpet and it was littered with all these words everywhere. i couldnt read any of them, but they were as clear as day. it reminded me of the simpsons episode where homer was goin crazy and the lightning lit up the room and the walls where covered in words that he wrote.

    as for the whether it being physical or mental, i remember reading somthing that detailed why it happend about hppd i mean. and tracers and all that. damn i wish i remember what it said, it was very, very interesting.
     
  8. dd3stp233

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    It is a mental process that puts togather the nerve impulses from the optic nerve to create what you think you see.
     
  9. StayLoose1011

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    You guys are playing the silliest word games with "physical" and "mental." Don't you see that it's all the same? As far as we know, the mind is nothing more than the brain, which is physical. It doesn't matter if my vision has been damaged "physically" or "mentally," the point is that it is damaged. It is impossible for the brain to change in any way outside of the "physical," and changes in the brain are what we are talking about here. My HPPD has nothing to do with my thoughts or my attitude or anything like that. I can't see as well as I could, and trust me it isn't "all in my head," it isn't something I can control. Just because acid is "non-toxic" doesn't mean that it doesn't cause permanent or semi-permanent changes in the brain.

    LSD IS NOT HARMLESS... This seems to be a bitter pill to swallow for so many of you, but the sooner you accept it the better. Acid will change your brain, it will alter your senses, and some of it can be interpreted as "bad" or even just "annoying" in the case of my HPPD.
     
  10. StayLoose1011

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    Please explain to me how things like tinnitus and blurred vision are psychological. I hate to be so blunt, but this is just a ridiculous claim.
     
  11. PsychMyke

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    yup...its definatly a physical change

    Docters that actually take the time to study hppd, the ones who dont immediately shrug it off as nonsense without a second thought, agree that LSD has warped/changed/or altered your neuronal pathways...what this does does is perforate ones subconscious and conscious thought which then leads to what some have called Busy Brain or pandora's box syndrome, where intense mental visualization of the world around them occurs and ones imagination and thoughts tend to run wild because the line seperating the unconscious and conscious has been blurred...i read an interesting article on the subject yesterday
     
  12. Hemisphere

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    Very interesting stuff. Pandoras box describes it perfectly in fact. I'd be very interested to see this article - have you got a link?
     
  13. PsychMyke

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    naw, my friend emailed it to me and i erased it...sorry dude, ill ask him where he found it next time i see him, try googling it you'll probably find it.

    P.S. the article was mostly about MDMA, but at the bottom it talked about psychedelic drugs in general, then it touched upon busy brain etc.
     
  14. PsychMyke

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    The pandora's box syndrome (pbs); busy head syndrome

    "Persons who have taken large quantities of drugs such as LSD, ecstasy and ketamine for a prolonged period may develop a mental state which involves a high level of internal, 'mental' imagery but no perceptual disorder. It is as if perforations have been made in the defences which usually separate conscious from unconscious processes, resulting in material percolating through the conscious mind where it would not normally be found. I have named this syndrome after the legend of Pandora's box: once opened it proved impossible to push back in all that flew out. The condition is not serious. It does not prevent the afflicted person from going to work or going about the normal business of life. However, attention and concentration are impaired, which may lead to an apparently poor memory due to failure to attend to new information. The person may be said to have 'lost their edge' or 'lack focus'. The imagery is intensified by the same factors as intensify flashbacks, principally anxiety generating situations. This is consistent with a psychodynamic explanation."

    Thats a very similiar article to the original one i read, some of the wording is identical but the other article had like 3 paragraphs and was more extensively elaborated.
     
  15. Hemisphere

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    Found it :) Thanks for turning me on to that article Myke! Very interesting stuff.
    No small coincidence then that my 3 drugs of choice (the only 3 I ever buy) over the past year were LSD, MDMA, and yup, ketamine :)
     
  16. daveyjones1

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    it seems that i have a bit of PBS... good find Myke!
     
  17. dd3stp233

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    Personally I would recommend you seeing a doctor, most of the things you mention, could be explained by a brain tumor. Changes in hearing, changes in vision, changes in personality and memory, mental ability can all be symptoms.
     
  18. PsychMyke

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    nope, i have seen a doctor and he said to lay off the drugs...

    I tried to get benzos because they are supposed to greatly reduce all symptoms but after disclosing my frightening drug history he shut that idea down quick

    Its not a brain tumor dude trust me.
     
  19. Hemisphere

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    While I agree in this case that it probably is the acid, "the doctor is always right" is not a healthy attitude to take.

    Doctors have misdiagnosed me in the past with near fatal consequences, it happens a lot.
     
  20. sw0o0sh

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    If anything LSD has made me more outgoing than not, and I've always been in between with the outgoing and nutshell type. Didn't make me stupid, made me have more advanced thinking processes but I always did anyway. In one trip I literally asked myself why I even bought the drug to trip on, just weird questions which really, are true. I don't know if LSD will stupify me soon but I hope not. Personally I love the random mind fuck you get when you drop cid, then it's like you recollect yourself until you are a normal person again, and can realize why you did what you did. I think Pandora's box just happens to the people who get lost in the fray. But I've been wrong before.
     
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