psychological effects

my only arguement with that statement is that your opinion seems biased. Your young and probably still in the full force "LSD is the greatest drug ever and the world is at my fingertips while im on it, the possibilities are endless" stage...which is totally cool, enjoy it.



But im definately not "lost in the fray"

Im always 100% in control on top of the peak every trip. The mind fuck is the best part of the whole trip. But your only 16, and if youve dropped hundreds and hundreds of hits in a years time on top of various abuse of other chemicals it takes a toll on your mind. Trust me, im defiantely not lost...i see clearly because of LSD, the point im making is that i see too clearly, all the time and i dont waanna see clearly...cause when you see the whole picture "clearly" you can't enjoy life to the fullest because the silhouette of your own life is overshadowed by the "bigger picture"...the bigger picture is all i think about and it gets old...

By the way im speaking metaphorically, im not talking about seeing in regards to vision or hppd or anything of that nature.

 

I don't see what being young has to do with anything besides the fact that I haven't done it as much as somebody who has done it once a week for 40 years since the 1960s. It being the greatest drug would definitely be a personal opinion, as if you asked a heroin addict they're favorite drug what would they say? Definitely it'll be a bit biased, as it's their drug of choice.

Some people make trying LSD a one-time thing. Although if you are trying to imply I am eventually just going to 'burn out' from it, I don't see that being too probable as A), I don't do it much, B), even if I wanted to, it's not free. I can easily say I can see pretty clearly, I have never been at terms with being illogical about any situation. It doesn't make the world dull being a little less able to fall into a stupid situation seeing as you 'now see clearly'. I don't see what's wrong with always seeing the bigger picture, wouldn't you assume that that will make you more eligable to make the right decisions rather than wrong? Why do a lot of people who were clueless to begin with bitch after LSD opens them up (some times)? Wouldn't you want that? I don't like the idea of sheltering my own humanity for my own sake. Life is anything you make of it. If it really seems that rounded up perhaps using drugs for fun is what originally ruined the 'old life' you had before drug use, or LSD use. Get a hobby or try enjoying other things, I'd like to assume people who can afford enough LSD to fuck up their life can also put a few bucks down for other big things.

 

LSD is my fav. drug too, when have I EVER knocked it...never and i never will, its the greatest. Im just slapping a warning sticker on it. Anyone who knows me from passed posts will tell you i was one of the biggest LSD buffs posting.



and im not trying to offend you, but my point is most relavent, ill elaborate...

You said those who get busy head or PBS are those whove gotten "lost in the fray", and i was just saying you probably only have that opinion because your young, therefore i went out on a limb with the assumption you probably havent eaten near enough LSD to get PBS or have any real inclination towards what it is. No one really knows unless they have it. It's a hard concept to grasp...

As to the end of your post...you (a young teenager) are really in no position to lecture me, while i dont take anything you say personally because you clearly have no idea what your talking about. Put it this way...i was once in your shoes, i swallowed my weight in doses to get to that point and once your at that point its great in many ways...but the grass is always greener on the other side. You have no idea what its like to see the bigger picture, so keep on thinking the way you do about how LSD granted enlightenment is hands down, one sided the gr3at3st Ting ev333rrr...this viewpoint clearly shows me your immaturity and inexperience on the subject...

And just for your information...money doesnt buy happyness, i have many hobbies, im an accomplished musician, i write music, i have a girlfriend, im not fucking syd barrett i dont sit there and stare at a wall. That statement clearly points to your ignorance. Once again i dont mean to offend at all i never once was trying to get under your skin but clearly i did and for that i apologize.

 

also...if you dont see being burned out from it as possible then you need to retake an english course and learn how to read...half the people who've posted here have blatantly admitted to having fizzled their brain with dose.

You remind me of all the etards who still gobble 5 packs every weekend who think mdma is the wonder drug, how neurotoxicity is all some governement scam...how about this, i call it the Myke Dose Challenge....find a solid blotter connect and trip ever 4 days for 2 months, then continue tripping about every weekend for another 4 months, eating no less than 5 hits a night....oh and make sure to include your 2-3 day runs where doubling doses to feel the effects over tolerance puts you over 30...how many do you eat, 2 or 3 every month? So take the challenge and IM me next year, then we can talk.

 

Yeah, sorry about my profound immaturity because I made an observation of people who get burned out? Sorry but burned out kids under 19 exist, I'm sorry but unless you are a proud parent don't be talking to me like I'm so fucking young, to anybody 3 years older than you that aswell could be considered a big gap. As far as I'm concerned we both can't buy alcohol so what's your deal? And I hang out with plenty of people older than me who have no problem with my attitude, immaturity is out of the question. I think calling other people immature is an immature act, to be completely honest. Name calling? Try fifth grade. I am putting my thoughts and feelings onto the subject and theres nothing wrong with that.

Sorry I hurt your feelings when my choice of words was 'lost in the fray'. Also based on your grammar if we didn't have ages here I think you would come off as pretty young. Oh wait, typing properly on the internet is just taboo isn't it? And apparently you highly misinterpreted my comment on the lost in the fray thing so cool down big man. Didn't mean to make an old man like you fall off his rocker.

I simply meant people who don't come down from the trip, take too much, or experience the psychosis spoken about when frequent use becomes big. Girlfriend, 'accomplished musician'? Well unless you are Pink Floyd you may as well be a drop out who has a fad for the violin. After putting many 3's and 4's to potray some sort of 'leet attitude' you go and call me immature. You want to talk about ignorance? Young teenager? What, like half way through my teen age years? Oh that must mean I am stupid, as I am a teen ager? You run by stereotypes and than call me immature and ignorant. It would be a crime for you to say LSD opened up your outlook at all. Burned you out, perhaps, yeah.

I also find it funny how I remind you of somebody with a drug habit, when I don't even touch stupid shit like ecstasy. I've clearly stated I don't do acid frequently, wasn't that my point originally? Wait, weren't you ragging on me in just a post above how I haven't taken enough to know, then go on how I supposedly take it every 4 days? You seem to be able to point out people with a drug seeking problem eh? Seems as though your other hobbies are merely other drugs, so I'd stfu if I were you, you have no valid points at all. Prove me wrong?

 

haha ok man whatever im just having a discussion dont get heated

 

Didn't I make the point you were getting heated? Have some originality now. Take the sw0o0sh originality challenge and then a year from now IM me.

 

....ok?

look if you want to start a fight go to a different forum, everyone here wants to learn something about a drug most people think is inert that has potential side effects...i already told you im sorry if i pissed you off i was making an observation. Take it or leave it but im not going to clutter up the forums by having an schoolyard style arguement with you over something you do not understand

 

Didn't I say I was merely making an observation (of people who seem fucked up by acid)? I'm not starting a fight, you're just calling it one. If you didn't start speaking of immaturity and ignorance and all this bullshit I wouldn't have had to prove my ground so whatever happened is what you made. And back to the topic I thought psychosis went away anyway? And do people who burn out 'so to speak' ever have a chance of recovery or are they just going to be .. 'slow' for the rest of their life?

 

lol my bad man, i dont want any hostilities, i was merely saying you were biased and you started lecturing me thats when i pulled out the immaturity comment. You got hostile really fast.

And as far the whole burned out thing goes im the wrong one to be asking, everyone on here is telling me itll go away with abstinence but i havent noticed any decline in the symptoms yet.

 

I use to always think like, if you can realize there is something wrong with you why can't you just stop it. But I've also figured out on my own with certain things you just can't even though you know it's there. So maybe it's the same for you? I mean I could imagine how I'd feel if I actually knew I just 'got dumber/numbed' (sorry, not calling you either of the two, but you are basically saying you are a bit more empty minded now when it comes to verbal discussion in real life?). I wouldn't know I guess. But I seen some good of my friends experience 'burn outs' from weed, it's horrible. They are not the same anymore and can never engage in any intellectual conversations we use to have about things. Or.. even just regular every day 'hows it been convos'. There is a very noticeable difference, it just sucks to see it happen to your good friends, but idk. Thats why I dont touch weed unless its to enhance my LSD lol.

 

exactly, and like you were saying....LSD is the greatest, and when you have infinite access to as much dose as you want through methods which i wont discuss here, with an addictive personallity, and a strong love affair with the drug...its hard to just stop

And sorry to go back but thats why i qouted on your age...cause when i was 16 i was so obsessed about enlightenment all i ever thought about was tripping, and when i started noticing effects i shrugged it off and used the excuse that "in the long run the positives will outweigh the negatives" and kept munchin' hits and i was so so so wrong to do so. I dunno i just dont wanna see it happen to you or anyone else cause its not as cool as it sounds...from my 16-19 birthday, the amount of knowledge i gained and growing up that took place is astounding, the oly problem is that i learned most things from past fuck ups and mistakes mainly with drugs....im just trying to impart my experiences on people alittle younger because its easy to fall down the same path i took.

 

I've always been pretty sketchy about taking drugs in general but sid despite the shit that people say can happen while you're on it is the truly devastating down side to it, but yeah idk, most drugs can sketch you out from frequent use. First time I took it (shitty trip too but the mind thing definitely happened), I did feel enlightened, but perhaps it was just ignorance since I knew it was something to expect after coming down from sid (supposedly being more open). I felt it I guess, but it went away.

To be honest I don't really have a drug seeking behavior, sid is cool, but imo not worth my mind. I have a money seeking problem, lol. I usually just sell the sid to close friends for more than what I paid for it, I make like $3 profit a hit. Which in turn is better than my dealers profit who makes whole sale. Well, not more profit than me when he sells it to me.

He gets for 5.50 a hit, usually buys a grand worth. (Hes like what that guy was to america, except to my city, as hes the only one who supplies and we have quite a few people blowing cash on acid, but hes not making millions of profit).

So anyway, dealer gets it for $5.50, sells for $8-$10 regularly, but cuts me a $7 deal. For some reason my friends will pay $9-$10, mostly $10, but it's a 3 dollar investment per hit vs hit $1.50 per hit to me, but then again thats my deal, but thats just my way of looking at it.

Usually my goal is to buy a ten strip for $70, sell like 5 hits for $50 and then take the rest. He usually sells me a decent size strip so then usually I am able to actually cut 12 standard size blotters from a 10, one time 13. So it was like a 5-8 hit trip for $20, and instead of going down $70 by $70 (I quit my job so I'm just workin with like 300 bucks), I go down by $20s. Sometimes I just sell the whole strip for a $30 dollar investment, lol. I'm hoping I can cut this one into 12, sell 7 for $70 (obtain my money back), and then eat 5 anyway.

But anyway, the effects of sid interest me a lot, but I am pretty stingy so my wallets thickness comes into play before the sid does. I try to lay low with which friends I sell it to though.

 

Nothing wrong with that intrinsically no, but it's when you speak in this "matter of fact" tone as though you are in a position to make observations on a subject that you cannot possibly understand unless you've experienced it first hand (such as PBS), that's what's wrong.

I have taken acid maybe 10-12 times in 16 months. I didn't dose from September till January, then again nothing until June, and only 3 of those trips were greater than 1 hit. Do you consider that to be heavy use? I don't.

As I said earlier in this thread, mental scars heal just like physical ones, and of course over time your mind will recover, and I've experienced that process first hand.

Please think before you make silly comments like "oh I can't understand why people wouldn't enjoy it, it's just like a free trip!!!". It's great that you're showing such an interest in a fascinating subject, but you have to appreciate that it's insulting to those of us who know of it from first hand experience, to hear your random theories and conjectures, especially when we're basically telling you that your conceptions are wrong.

If PBS was actually a recognized syndrome on which studies and documented information was available, then perhaps you would be in a position to say "well actually it's like this, so your personal experience is anomalous, and perhaps has roots in an unrelated mental condition that you happened to be pre-disposed to", and then I'd say "oh well maybe you're right", but it's not. In fact this thread is the first place I've ever heard it mentioned before, let alone discussed in detail amongst several users who appear to have suffered from it.

This forum IS the resource. An active messageboard where people share their experiences, and learn from each other, and if you want to learn too that's fantastic but you should take what people say at face value, because they are primary sources, talking direct from experience. Conjecture is welcome, but not when it flies in the face of what has been established through experience.

 

Well I hope you are only addressing a technicality and not trying to start what has already been compromised? And what you quoted was simply a joke anyway, lol. Obviously unless you like popping acid before doing every day activities you may not want it to just start up on you while you are doing an 'every day activity', so that much I am aware of. Good points I guess, but I only go off of from people around me, but I can imagine people being slowed down from weed is sort of different that LSD, or a lot, maybe not even comparable. And assuming tone with the internet isn't really the best move to make, I don't speak in tone, whether it appears like that or not. Perhaps if I capitalize a specific word or italicize it, you could probably assume sarcasm or something. Like when you thought what I said about flashbacks 'wasnt a joke'. Don't assume, it's bad.

 

That was just an example tbh, I don't want to look over all your posts and pick them apart, but I have felt this general tone of "well my theories on the subject are just as valid/likely to be true as yours", and at the risk of sounding elitist, I just don't think they are. You discovered acid 4 weeks ago. 4 weeks after I discovered acid I was tripping every week and I still thought it was all about fractals and visual distortions, and a bad trip was just "a bad trip".

A year and a half on and I couldn't express in words how much I've learnt about acid, and my mind, and the way the two work together. Like Myke says, you've just discovered acid and you think it's fucking brilliant - well guess what? It is! It's just a lot more than you think it is, and I promise you will find that out firsthand, and when you look back at this thread you will laugh.

 

you know what hemisphere...to digress a bit from the topc at hand

For someone who pops E's weekly and snorts lines of K...you have the widest array of brilliant vocabulary...its astonishing actually. Well done well done, how is it that people from the U.K. have natural linguistic superiority. It baffles me...

 

Perhaps, but in a post above (even though I kind of got carried away explaining the profit margins), I'm into it more for the small 30 dollar money investment rather than tripping every other day (Kind of like a pay less for a huge trip kind of thing). Like i tried saying somewhere else, even if I just wanted to buy mass quantities of acid and do it, I'd probably just run broke, so to keep doing it I need to keep making some sort of investment that makes it worth the time spent. I have a budget to maintain until I find some part time job again, but school doesn't make finding the shit any easier.

But I guess I'll take it from somebody experienced with the shit that yeah, that may just be the fate one day (of using it a lot). But my points always been I don't use/abuse it like crazy, so why do you guys keep telling me I'm going to end up crazed 3 years ago from now.

Lol, I do kind of like how you uhh, kind of absorbed every post I've ever made on this forum though, can't leave one fact about me astray, you know when I started amongst everything else I say :-S But thanks I suppose. I hate seeing people who obviously show a negative sign of frequent drug use, and especially when it happens to people I care about personally that I was quite use to, having around I guess. It's happened with at least 3 friends by now, and I've always had a circle of friends I grew up with. That's why I try to avoid using LSD any more than moderately, but I can't tell my future, but I'll take your word for it.

I hate seeing all my friends end up fucked up, but even if I did end up that way aswell from it, well it's not like any of my friends have any sense of 'whatever' anymore to be able to just say 'wow, youve changed'. They would probably say, 'lets SMOKE WEED this WEEKEND', even though I dont smoke weed just to be smoking it.

And in conclusion thats why I feel for this guy, and also agree with that guy who made that long post on the first page. It's true. I believe a lot of it myself is just the negatives ran off by the media and other shit that biases the downside of everything. Perhaps even if my friends had a more optimistic outlook in life rather than seeking drugs for fun, maybe they could get bck on track. But I find that hard to see happening when 2 of them have alreayd dropped out from highschool.

 

Myke:

I read somewhere that we invented the language

Also I'm fairly sure I read somewhere that English people read a hell of a lot more...anything...than your average American. Being addicted to an online game between 1997 and 2005 certainly helped. I've got like 12,000 posts on another forum.. literally millions of instant messages, and a huge amount of talking ingame, so I got an insane amount of practice through reading and writing. Also my dad's a psychiatrist who used to study various sciences, and my mum's an English teacher.. so I've kinda been immersed in advanced language from a very young age.

Sw0o0sh:

Well first of all you obviously missed the part where I said I've only tripped like 10-12 times ever, and that's over 16 months - a total of 14-16 hits.

Nobody's saying you're going to go crazy, but don't think even for one moment that you're immune to the sort of shit acid can throw at your mind - shit that sticks, shit that stinks

Of course, you may never experience these feelings, and perhaps that would be for the best.

The way I see it, acid crosses wires in the brain that should never be crossed. I believe that traditional "tripping" is a defense system. Fractals, distortions, hallucinations, they're all devices designed to occupy the mind, to shield you from the more intense effects of acid. That's why PBS is named after Pandora's Box.

It took 3 trips for this to happen to me. The first was in September last year. I remember being told by what I at the time believed to be "higher beings" (in retrospect of course it was actually my subconcious). I believed that night that I had somehow worked out what life was all about. I had gone deep into my subconscious, I explored it, and I figured out how I worked, how human life works, what it's all about. The "higher beings" told me "you learnt something tonight that you simply can NOT know. You will forget it all, but believe us, it is for your own good. You're simply not ready for this knowledge, you're not designed to know it, you cannot know it". (these weren't their exact words but it was roughly along those lines).

When I came back to reality, of course I had forgotten everything from that part of the trip, besides a few random details that made no sense to me. In the weeks and months after that trip, I had some terrifying flashbacks, but they were from different parts of the trip. I had flashbacks of hideously distorted humans, and other rather scary stuff. It persuaded me to lay off the acid for several months, and I tripped just once between September that year and June the next.

The second trip related to this was in June. That was the first time I saw the letters. Letters everywhere in my vision. Again, my mind protected me. I was deep within my subconscious again, but I came out of it. The letters remained in my field of vision for the entire trip, but for most of it, I'd completely forgotten what they meant. My mind completely severed the link between my conscious and my subconscious, and everythin was good.

I tripped a couple more times after that, and things were just fine, but then on the third trip, just a few weeks ago, I went back to the realm of my subconscious.. and I didn't fully come out of it until 2 days later.

Since then, I've had 2 BIG flashbacks in which I fell right back into my subconscious, without taking any acid at all, hence I have no resolved to quit acid for the forseeable future - perhaps forever.

Now I stress that I'm not saying for a moment that this will happen to you, and just fyi, it doesn't affect me *at all* in day to day life, I'm not slower, or tripped out, or anything, but it was enough to put me off acid, and as I said, I hardly had to take any over a 2 year period, to reach that state. It can happen, it does happen.

Pride comes before a fall. Just be careful, and be happy.

 

about the whole "mental scars heal like physical scars" idea a few posts back - what happens when you can't stop picking at the scab? sometimes your mind just can't repair itself. it forgets how. or maybe it thinks everything's ok. mental scars healing? that's an oxymoron. scars don't heal. they are SCARS. but they can fade, or even be covered up... but remnants will always be there.