psychotic because of LSD???

I don't think its entirely government propaganda.
Why would there be so much research about the correlation between LSD & schizophrenia?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9754840&itool=iconabstr

There are drug induced psychoses. I know of people that are considered very mentally strong who experienced BAD TRIPS caused by LSD.
I was only 15 years old when I had my BAD TRIP (I came from abusive, alcoholic home) but I tripped almost every day for a whole summer before that happened. It was Yellow Sunshine & I did hear later that this particular batch was a very HIGH dose. My first trip was on Orange Sunshine and I had no problems at all.


Research Department, Psychiatric University Hospital Zurich, Switzerland.

Recent research into the pharmacological mechanism of hallucinogens (LSD, psilocybin) and dissociative anesthetics (PCP, ketamine) suggest that multiple neurotransmitter systems are involved in drug-induced and possibly also in naturally occurring psychoses. Specifically, animal models suggest that a dysbalance between serotonin, glutamate, and dopamine in the limbic cortico-striato-thalamic circuitry may be critical to psychotic symptom formation. To test this hypothesis, psychometric measures and metabolic PET investigations were performed (1) with FDG to elucidate the common neuronal substrates of different hallucinogens, (2) with specific receptor ligands before and after pretreatment with specific receptor antagonists to explore the putative interactions of hallucinogens with various neurotransmitter systems. Our data demonstrate that the neuronal substrate of normal and abnormal thought and behavior is associated with a distributed neuronal network and with multiple interactive neurotransmitter systems. The data also support the view that the hallucinogen challenge paradigm constitutes a powerful tool for elucidating the pathophysiology of neuropsychiatric disorders.

 

The consciousness of an LSD trip can be intensely felt and believed in as much as a psychosis

 

The question becomes- which "delusional system" we choose-the government, t.v., or none(which I prefer at the peak of a big one)

 

A trip is only what you make of it, experienced users know this, and never have bad trips.

 

This story is bulllllllSHIT!!!

how could weed some how trigger flashbacks, thats bogus man.

 

uhhmmm i wish we knew? I'm not vouching for this story specifically, but in general if you were once a heavy doser marijuana can induce flashbacks, pfft, blinking lights can even induce flashbacks IME, so it's not too far fetched that marijuana can.

 

Marijuana triggers flashbacks more than anything I find... with music mmm.

My gf has a bizarre friend. Whenever we trip with her and the dose is like over a hit she goes psycho or something.

Once. We gave her 3 average hits cuz she just loves to get fucked up... Then effects start. She loves it, like any drug she takes...Then her behavioer gets very weird, like 30 minutes after effects came...she has an unforgettable look on her face that wont go, and starts doing things that we had already done minutes before, or saying stuff we were planning to do, like a machine. She kept looking at her hands, visibly not scared. With that fuckin look. I knew she was losing it though. After that she was just a parrot repeating what we said in word salads...

At one point we were in a commercial area, takin a walk, jumps on a group f boys we didnt know and tries to kiss them, then tries to steal their bike like theres nothin wrong...Now she was like a fuckin caveman, she was smokin a cig, it was more like she was eating it and the ashtray was like the precious pray of an animal...protecting it and stuff...

I was freakin out whenher behavior became violent. she threw herself on walls head first and kicked her bf in the mouth, we had to hold her down cuz she was too destructive! Quick! We gave her a 3mg dose of risperidal...Not working too fast , she destroying the dear plants of my dads gf (orchid)...Shes a fuckin riot!, my gf is freaking out bad...Took three hours until she came back, 5 hours after ingestion, 3h after meds. Said she didnt remember a thing.

...hmm! Pssychosis or what? it happends everytime at some degree. Good thing I was sane enough to help hold her down ad do stuff.

 

nothing like a good piece of rope and tree to help control freakouts

 

LSD is no longer viewed as a model psychosis for schizophrenia. toxic cocaine and methamphretamine psychoses, however, are indistinguishable from the schizophrenic state.

what do you folks consider to be "flashbacks"? in the classical sense, it's the reliving of an intense emotional experience. you all are talking about visuals it seems, but HPPD-like effects would not be the same as a flashback. and if you're referring to the fact that many LSD users report subtle visuals in their peripheral vision and/or night vision, then that should have nothing to do with the quality of the acid. "bad" acid doesn't cause this. LSD itself causes this disturbance in the visual system, possibly due to the inhibition of the sensory filtering processes, which may never fully recover after a single dose of LSD.

 

Must be kinda like what the war vets have...Its like you say, living emotinally a situation along an aspect of a trip...... along this, vivid mental images of tripping situations that probably never even happened come through my mind. Sometimes Its like for a sec, I can picture exactly what tripping is like ...how the visuals are like...its a glimpse of 'oh its like that'...Its pretty much always music that make me have them...Hendrix and GD, they are the best to do it...They sometimes have to say the right few words and there you go. Its like they knew it was gonna do this to people.

When they happen, the hppd visuals take much more expansion.

I like them flashbacks...its like a burst of pure interest. You want to live it the more possible...but most of the time the same stimuli or thought will not trigger one again.

Now ive had a few 'full blown' flashbacks or whatever they were, that for a few minutes, well everything had a snowflaky pattern and colors very bright. Thats not very emotional though, it just takes my breath away and I wait for it to stop while worring a bit.

 

excuse me but is this your opinion or are you quoting some "scientific" study or something like that. You know the kind, government sponsored "scientific" studies where they give a rat 2 kilos of LSD and then ask it if their vision is impaired.

 

Yes! Mmmm! I also get flash-backs EVERY time I listen to this album. I bought it before I went to Spain and listened to it COOOONSTANTLY. Now it gives me flash-backs!

Moral: Don't listen to music!!! It will kill you!... Nah... Really! Bad argument for acid too...

 

I get flashbacks whenever i look at carpet.

 

I know some kid who hasn't come down off his acid trip for like 2 weeks, and he is in a psyc ward.

 

i'm talking about the mechanism of action of LSD in the brain. you clearly don't know anything about LSD and mental filtering inhibition. i'd recommend you pick up a reliable psychopharmacology text: Robert Julien's "A Primer of Drug Action" is an excellent start.

 

it's all in your brain chemistry. friends A and B could eat the same amount of the same acid; A has a great trip-awesome visuals, giggles, high energy, loving it. B freaks out and has a bad trip.

personally, i dealt acid for years, so i ate a LOT. in moderation, and with good company, and i never had a bad experience with lsd.

happy trails

 

Yeah, so does everyone and their mother.

There is ONE person I know for sure was dosed with LSD and had very negative repercussions for his life. We call the guy Goober, all he does is walk around town smoking cigs and eating at Burger King every once in a while. He talks about aliens a lot...now that I think about it, the few kids from the class above me in high school that befriended him said that he was paranoid about a lot of shit.

A good deal of the teachers at our school and my boss at the pool (who were in the school system around the time this happened) verify that the story is true.

Apparently, the guy was valedictorian and was going to some Ivy League school, when someone put acid in his drink at a graduation party.

I don't know why everyone repeats the same old story "there's a guy from my school who's in a psych ward." I've had at least 6 or 7 of my core friends at university tell me the same story or something really similar, none of them have names. The fact that every person's story is so similar (dude ate 7 hits and went CARAZY!!!) makes me think that there was a rumor that got VERY widespread.

You most likely wouldn't be in a psych ward anyway, you'd be in therapy just like anyone else with mental issues. The only time someone is institutionalized is when they pose a danger to themselves or others. And since we all know that trips are NOT permanent (right? ... ) you wouldn't be posing a threat to yourself or others. You don't become permanently disconnected from reality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis

Read it ^ Read it well, and understand. Being psychotic is NOT necessarily a permanent state, and is NOT a diagnosis in itself.

 

Remarks like "may never recover after a single dose" are typical pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo designed to scare people. Stop for a moment and question how exactly something like that can be proved, in the laboratory. If you are getting your data from this "Primer of Drug Action", it is only your opinion that this is a reliable text. if you have read this text, maybe you could just describe the procedure used to prove these facts and save us some time.

 

Hofmann recommended psychiatrists tried lsd to experience the schizophrenia experienced on LSD.

 

where are you getting "facts" from? nothing i have said even mentions that word. "may" is not a word used to scare people; it is a word used to denote possibility as opposed to what you're looking for--facts. you suggest that i stop to question scientific validity. well, in case you still haven't noticed, i have not provided a single bit of data that is conclusive. get off your high horse.