QuÉbec Is Now It's Own Nation!

Quebec is unique from other provinces in Canada by language alone. There's nothing wrong with having pride in being a Quebecer, just like there's nothing wrong with having pride in being an Ontarionian (or whatever), but all are Canadian nonetheless.

Distinct society only by language, but it's surprising how much (culturally) Quebec isn't so different from the rest of Canada, and equally each province has their own 'culture' so to speak.

I still don't understand it. Quebec wants to be separate by border alone - they still want to use the Canadian health plan, use the Canadian dollar as currency, collect Canadian pensions, etc.

It's like kids who want to move out of mom & dad's place into their own apartment, but still want mom & dad to provide all their groceries and do their laundry.

Um, I may have missed this lesson in Canadian History class, but, um, when was the last time all of Canada attacked Quebec? Did I miss something?

As far as I know, there haven't been the votes there to support Quebec seperatism, firstly, and secondly, if Quebec really truly wants to separate and be their own country of Quebec and not Canadian at all, then follow through with it. So far there's been a lot of noise about it with little plan or solid structure.

:ack: Frankly I'm a bit tired of hearing all about it myself. If a province, any province, wants to pack up and not be Canadian any more, then quit pissin' about it and just leave already. It'd be unfortunate to see the country fall apart, but it'd be better than having to put up with all the nonsense.

 

Right on cerridwen, thats the truth... I agree with everything you just said

 

I agree 100% with Cerridwen.

 

English Language is increasingly spoken in many places
not just in Quebec.
You will find others who share your feelings.
Its not an attack though.

People on Purto Rico seem to feel a similar dilemma to you.
They have had independence referendums on The Island
and voted to stay with The US
Yet they retain thier language & Latin culture.

 

I agree with ceriwden.

Be proud to be Canadian people. we live in a great country.

 

You guys are somewhat missing the point. It goes beyond the language, i mean wayyy beyond the language. It's about being INDEPENDANT in everything we do.


You guys can claim that Quebec really isn't THAT different from the rest of Canada, fine, be blind. QUEBEC IS DISTINCT. I honestly do not give a rats ass about what the rest of Canada has to say about that because I know in my heart, just as the rest of Quebecers do (seperatist or not), that we are different, completely, entirely. The things that bind us, the relationships, the culture, the language are honestly like nothing i've ever seen. I understand how Canada may have a hard time understanding, you've never experienced something like the seperatist movement. It brings people together, in handfulls, in crouds, complete strangers holding hands and climbing up the political ladder to come together as one voice, the love, the power, it's incredibly overwhelming. Just...fuck, when De Gaulle came to montreal in '67, the speach!! Woaahhh, i cry everytime i watch that clip!! Honest to God, it is such an overwhelming feeling to watch and hear all those people cheer, to see them CRY, to see them SCREAM and HOLD HANDS, to see the joy and the involvement in their faces. Everyone coming together and opening their hearts to one other, trying to realise a dream!! A dream of this magnitude!! You can't tell us not to dream, to stop dreaming!! We NEVER will, 30 years, 40 years, 50, 100!! Doesn't matter, our dedication will NEVER die down, NEVER, i assure you that. Do you realise how amazing it is to gather complete strangers, thousands and thousands of them, and have them open their arms and soul together, all at once, and dream in synchronicity the same dream!! Well let me tell you, it's fuckin' unbelievable, the feeling that evoques!! Amazing. I can't explain, it's just overwhelming. You people don't seem to realise that this is a fucking revolution in progress for us, it will take time, 50 fucking years and counting baby, and we ain't going NOWHERE, believe me, it will happen, we will succeed, the love, the dedication, the power, the bonds, the DREAM, everything we need is all there, the people, we are in this whole heartedly, and all of us have got our eyes on the prize man, the SAME fuckin' prize and we will obtain it, no matter how long it takes. It seems really hard for people to grasp the concept of a political movement that isn't selfish or phony. Quebec people are true man, we're real, we're dedicated and we are full of love and drive, and we just have a fuckin' dream. EVERY fucking man that dreams hard and real succeeds, no doubt about it, and there is no doubt in my mind that we will get there, slowly, and carefully, but we will get there and that day this entire fucking nation will triumph and skip a heartbeat in unision, be it in death or while i am alive, it WILL happen, i don't care what nobody says or believes. I guess you just need to be a Quebecer to understand what it would fully mean to be independant, it's in our hearts, don't you understand..what it would mean to build our own nation, to have our own country!! Only we can understand, only we can feel it in our souls and hearts, the feeling is in our fucking bones man!! AH, Vive Le Quebec, Vive Le Quebec Libre, mes cher amis!!

i'm sorry if i'm rambling

 

Quit fuckin whinin' & bitchin'. It aint going to happen so get over it!

 

x WaX x, I hope you don't think I was knocking the pride you have in being where you're from. There are certainly aspects of Quebec culture that make Quebec unique, but if you were to bother looking OUTSIDE of Quebec, you'd also realize that each province, despite the fact that the rest of the provinces are predominantly English, are also as unique as Quebec is.

And until the day that Quebec becomes 100% independant (like you're actually your own country), you are Canadian. If you want to put semantics on it, then fine, you're Quebecers first, but you do hold a Canadian passport and citizenship, not a Quebequois passport.

I hate to adopt the 'stereotypical American' attitude about it, but if you've got such an issue about being Canadian, then you're free to leave. Being both Canadian and Quebequois and taking pride in each equally, there's nothing wrong with that.

 

Quebec is a province and is unique like every other province. You know the quote, "Of course you're unique... just like everybody else."? That's what I have to say to Quebec. I mean, it's their choice. But I think if they separate, then they can truly separate. None of this mommy and daddy paying for rent and bills stuff. They can pay their own debts, have their own military, use passports to get in and out of the rest of Canada, have their own currency, pay fines/taxes for using the trans canada highway, etc. If they don't want to be Canadian, then they don't have to be. But what they want is to separate but still use Canadian currency, Canadian military, and they still want Canada to pay their taxes and subsidize things that federal governments do. One or the other is what I say. We're supposed to be united; confederation is like a marriage. "For richer and poorer, sickness and health, til death do us part." If Quebec wants a divorce, fine. But I'm not paying child support.

 

^^^ These are the reasons Purto Rico elected to remain a part of the US.

 

Did you guys read my last post? Obviously not. Read it.

Now, i'm going to explain this in a nutshell, or attempt to at least.

First of all, i'm sure you know Quebec is the ONLY province who hasn't signed the constitution(82'), (because of broken promises and other reasons, won't get into that), and it passed, without our signature!! Total breach of trust, anyway, this should at least prove to you that we have completely different views. It isn't that we have a problem with federalism, we're just...not exactly on the same page as the rest of Canada about the way Canada is being run, mostly because it's stopping us from acheiving certain things we'd like to acheive within our province. The other 9 provinces in Canada are able to do what they wish to within the federal system, of course we can too(to a certain extent of course), just not effectively. Get it? Okay. Yes, it's mostly political, but it's also cultural, etc.

Yes, because that's what we are doing now and it's working for us. This is what we would need to support us while we first start to build Quebec as a country. The things we need to work on FIRST are the things that aren't working for us, and then slowly, we would move on, take off the training wheels and gain complete independance, but those things take time and support. We aren't denying that we're Canadian, but seperating is the only way to preserve our province the way we want it and move forward productively.

In the words of Lucien Bouchard, "Quebec is, today and forever, a distinct society, free and able to assume its destiny and its development.".

 

Making some assumptions there? Quebec already has a seperate pension plan, health care is already under provincial jurisdiction, and a monetary union with a seperated Quebec would be beneficial for both countries.

On an unrelated note, Quebec cannot constitutionally seperate "unilaterally". Of course they'd have to take their share of the debt, etc.

 

spooner, I wasn't making assumptions.


Every province has their own governing, but the core of what they have branches from the nation's gov't, that's the way it works here as is in any other country devided by provinces or states.


The reason why I posted what I did, was based on what I've listened to on the news, when the issue of separation tends to pop up.


I thought it was ironic, when those comments were made regarding separation, about (at least for the first while, I don't know how indefinate this decision was) to keep certain Canadian aspects like the dollar and so forth.


That's where my issue lies, I suppose. If you want to be independant, then by all means, cut yourself off entirely and get it over with. Your boarders are set. Just pack up and go.


I suppose I just don't understand why there's such a big tantrum about it. This issue's been elected on dozens of times, and yet the majority rule is NOT for separation. I don't think anyone's denying Quebec's destinct society, though.

and x, just because people disagree with your opinion, doesn't mean that we haven't read your post. We've read it, but maybe there are those of us who don't entirely agree with it.

 

To quote South Park (in a purely joking manner, simply beacuse I'm bored):

If you don't like Canada, then you can giiiit out!

 

Yes, you were. You quite clearly said that Quebec wants to take from the Canadian Pension Plan - when they quite clearly maintain a seperate pension plan. (See Section 93 of the Constitution, I believe).

And you're equally mistaken on your view of Federalism. Provincial Governments don't "branch out" from the National Government. They exist alongside it on an equal level, with jurisdiction over completely different areas.

Healthcare falls under the jurisdiction of the provincial government - and thus the national government has no sway over. See Sections 91/92 of the '82 Constitution. The Canada Health Act, the federal government's legislation of rules/restrictions on Healthcare (ie: universal healthcare), isn't legally restricting. It merely outlines the rules and regulations a province must follow to continute to receive national funding. It cannot "make" them do anything.

 

true....

and, alright, spooner.... tomayto, tomahto...

All I was saying was, based on what I've heard regarding Quebec's want or need for separation, to me it doesn't seem like they actually want to separate in anything more than name.

Going back to my analogy of the kid who moves out of his parents' home but expects them to do all his laundry and groceries, to me, this seems like what Quebec wants to do. They want to leave Canada simply because they believe they're so distinct, and yet want to rely and continue with their Canadian way of doing things and living life. Which is probably (and this is solely my opinion) why they're not getting the votes they want to separate.

Once Quebec gets their shit together as far as a more definate plan for independance, then they'll probably get what they want and the votes they need to back them up.

 

Comparing a province to a bratty teenager? Way to look at the issue with all the required knowledge and an unbiased eye.

 

Spooner, if your only rebutle is to pick on a weak analogy, then whatever. And yes, I'm being completely unbiased. What makes you think otherwise?

My opinion is just that, nothing more. It's no different than having the opinion that Quebec should be independant. I haven't attacked anyone's views or opinions, and I expect the same from others towards me. I've followed the whole news issue of Quebec, and I'm very familiar with all Canadian history, including conflicts that have existed throughout the country, not just with Quebec. Just because I don't hold your opinion, but rather have my own, doesn't mean that I'm wrong or you're right. We all have our own opinions based on what we've been taught and what we've learned.​

I'm all for it, separation I mean, if there's a valid argument and the support of the people who live there to do it. If the Quebec population feel so uncomfortable being Canadian, for all that it's worth, and would rather have their own completely separate country, then by all means do so. But - and yes, there is a but - take ALL the responsibility that comes with it.


Part of the problem is that many who want to separate don't want to take on some of the responsibility in becoming independant, hence I think that the analogy I used is perfect. And until I'm convinced otherwise, my opinion is what it is.

 

cerridwen,

personally, i think you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Watching the 6 o'clock news does not exactly give you all the required information you need to go and BASH the seperatist movement.

 

and your little "analogy" is not an opinion, it's merely you misinforming people about Quebec's situation. You're claiming Quebec is like the "kid who moves out of his parents' home but expects them to do all his laundry and groceries", this is not, by any means, an opinion, it's an assumption.