Question on Political Stances of Those here

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TheVampireLestat, Jun 21, 2009.

  1. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Minimum wage is necessary to a point. The idea of a living wage is laughable, but have you read history books? Do you know what people use to work for? And unions aren't worth shit anymore except to further enpower said unions so you can't rely on them for help. The fact is yes, we can't compete against foreign auto makers because of costs. But these are people in China making $3 an hour. Not to mention companies like GM are burdened by their past successes, health care and pensions and ect for a literal army of workers from the past. Foreign auto companies still operate in the US and pay their workers good while still turning a profit. GM is capitalism at it's best, a company that by all logic shouldn't have failed made horrible business moves and a shitty product and they failed. Then we failed by bailing them out.
     
  2. Shadow2145

    Shadow2145 comatose insomniac

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    yes the fact that they are paying former employees didnt't help them at all however i cant agree with u on minimum wage. while the minimum wage goes up so will the cost of living. a minimum wage simply doesnt help. i could repost what i said before but i wont repeat myself. what i just said sorta sums it up a little.
     
  3. McLeodGanja

    McLeodGanja Banned

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    Loony anarchist
     
  4. Shadow2145

    Shadow2145 comatose insomniac

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    no im not an anarchist. i believe in minimal government. not lack of government. there is a huge difference. Looney fascist.
     
  5. McLeodGanja

    McLeodGanja Banned

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    Of course we need some form of governance, anarchy does not necessarily imply a complete lack of this. People tend to completely misunderstand the concept of anarchy altogether.
     
  6. Shadow2145

    Shadow2145 comatose insomniac

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    actually i have looked into anarchy to see what they believe they need to do. they do not believe in government. by definition if u believe in any amount of government at all u can not be an anarchist. their plans are interesting but probably wouldnt work. they do have ways of enforcing common morals suchas preventing murder and theft and all that. one way they believe would work is a criminal report. it would be kinda like a credit report but gives u a rating on how u r. if u have a bad "criminal report" it would theoretically make it more difficult to get jobs and other things becasue companies will theoretically not want to higher a criminal. there are obviously problems with this idea. however this criminaly report agencies would not be government agencies. they would be strictly their own individual entities. i dont think this would work in practice nor do i think any anarchist idea would work but it is interesting to see their perspectives and ideas. because i believe in minimal government i am a libertarian. not an anarchist as u said.
     
  7. earthmother

    earthmother senior weirdo

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    Oh my, I do believe I am an anarchist. Something resembling a "green Anarchist" to be precise. So. Now I have a label. ;)
     
  8. John_the_babtist

    John_the_babtist Member

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    Political atheist.
     
  9. Shadow2145

    Shadow2145 comatose insomniac

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    what do u mean by green anarchist. i get that it means u must not believe in government but what does the environmental part have to do with it? (im assuming by green u mean environmental.)
     
  10. YoMama

    YoMama Member

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    Is there a freedom party?
     
  11. earthmother

    earthmother senior weirdo

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    Well, I did some research into anarchism and found that "green anarchism" has many differing opinions on things within itself, but all in all, it's the only "label" that mostly seems to apply. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_anarchism
     
  12. McLeodGanja

    McLeodGanja Banned

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    It's to do with deep ecology and all that, isn't that right earthmother?
     
  13. Shadow2145

    Shadow2145 comatose insomniac

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    i guess i dont see why u have to view being environmentallly friendly as a political thing. what does it matter if ur an anarchist or anything else. i try to do my part to help the environment. i feel an obligation to especially becasue i hunt and fish and use the outdoors at my will. if i want to use it have the obligation to do my best to keep it at its best. i dont feel i should be this way because of any political party tho.
     
  14. earthmother

    earthmother senior weirdo

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    It shouldn't matter. But it seems as tho some people here cannot even have any kind of discussion unless they can label you... And so, seeing how there seems to be a label for damn near everything, and being a "right winger" as I have been accused of is about as far as possible as you can get from my true nature, I started doing some heavy research, and I seem to have stumbled across the obvious...

    It would be no different if we were discussing religion rather than politics. Except in that category, I'd be most likely considered some type of "wiccan" or "pagan", because I don't fit into any mainstream category, and these things speak to my inner nature far more....

    Environmental issues should be important no matter what category you fall into. Unfortunately, like everything else, each "party" or group perceives the environmental issues differently. Which is just more complication and division, when ultimately the bottom line is we should be taking care of nature and not "subduing" or abusing her. Not bickering, passing the buck, or disagreeing on how or what or how much, but simply start DOING.
     
  15. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I am with you Earthmother.
     
  16. Shadow2145

    Shadow2145 comatose insomniac

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    yes i do agree that everyone should do what they can to help the environment. the problem is people who come up with all these new fads and things. for example global warming was a fad. now that they apparently found out the earth is actually cooling off its called climate change. so all these laws that went into affect to prevent global warming dont make sense now since global warming doesnt exist. idk i think u just hafta do what u think is right and not what ur particular politcal party of choice says is right. some things wont change. dont liter and try to recycle. if u cant say that ur abiding by those ur probly part of the problem and not the solution.
     
  17. Didymus Doppelgänger

    Didymus Doppelgänger Misfit Lover

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    Fuck politics. This country runs on honey and bible thumpers.
     
  18. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    The problem though is there will always be someone willing to work for cheaper, we'd have Wal-mart paying employees $2.25 an hour
     
  19. iamtheeggman

    iamtheeggman Member

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    sure there is. greedy assholes own this country, and they own the military. and in total free market, they could do whatever they wanted much easier. just think about bernie madoff, the ponzi scheme would have been totally legal in a free market. we got into this recession because there was too much capitalism, not because there wasn't enough. look at what norway and france did to get out of their recessions. it wasn't to back off and see what happens.
     
  20. John_the_babtist

    John_the_babtist Member

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    one of the only politcal atheists.

    And even that term is too termish for me.
     

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