Reality vs. Solipsism

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  1. sathead

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    What is reality is asked of understanding by Understanding others have made for your thoughts expressed which are rarely original in the first place.

    It is solipsism, which having no Others, to contend about (no Gods included) which experiences the moment with the values of anything as anyone FOR philosophies which We , the philosophical observers, triumphantly reject the burden of the Ego which is my dear famewalk the source of all Fears in the falling of supposed Mankind. Thereby, God does not exist for all the Tea in China and reasonable fallacies of improving Metaphysics.


    Some would say that Philosophy is for the acquiring of knowledge by Solipsists; that God is a replacement of other human beings for solipsists for the discourse about Understanding, our understanding with Others. Right?
     
  2. Okiefreak

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    Are you talkin'to me? Are you talkin' to me? are you talkin' to me? Well, if you're not talkin' to me, who are you talkin' to. Huh? Huh? Huh?
     
  3. mati

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    Stumbling again over questions like whose dream is it, yours or mine, or who are you talking to? To a solipsist, these questions, while important in maintaining distinctions and order within the dream, may not contribute so much to the understanding as other inquiries. Sometimes I may say it is your dream or sometimes I may say it is mine but I try to refrain from saying it is "our dream" because it tends to confuse things. It reminds me of those who like to say "we are all one". While in a certain context this may not be contradicted, it doesn't allow for much diversity or critical thinking that is often necessary for plot development. Whether I am talking to you or talking to my self is often not so much important as what is being talked about.
     
  4. geckopelli

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    Question:
    What of the two-slit experiment?

    The observer seems to "cause" the results observed.

    Yet a consisitent result (albeit a different one) occurs when no observer is present.

    Does the particle also "observe"(interact with?) the Observer, thus "causing" the Observers behavior?

    Overlapping solipsism?

    Is Schrodiger's cat alive or dead?
     
  5. thedope

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    Is the skin cell aware of the liver cell?
     
  6. Okiefreak

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    Sorry. I got carried away with my De Niro Taxi driver impression.But thanks for acknowledging my existence. We're making progress!
     
  7. geckopelli

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    If the skin cell and the liver cell were alone in the Universe, they would interact directly through gravity... So yes.

    As it is they work toward a common goal-- so again, yes.

    This is not to imply "intellectual" awareness.
     
  8. geckopelli

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    The point is that an "observer" is needed for existence.
    In other words, existence of only a single 'thing' is untenable with Quantum Mechanics.
     
  9. thedope

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    I agree, and find "intellectual" to be a relatively small bandwidth of awareness which to me applies to any organization of relations.
     
  10. thedope

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    My point is that the observer may become intimate with but is never outside of the observed. It is only commentary that disrupts this intimacy.
     
  11. geckopelli

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    That "intimancy" is also 'interupted" by Uncertainty.

    EVERYTHING is interupted by Uncertainty

    UNCERTAINY = GOD!?!?

    But what use is that?
     
  12. thedope

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    Reality cannot be threatened. What uncertainty do you refer to.

    Uncertainty = God? , It is your formula. If your hypothesis is found to be not useful, perhaps it is not correct.
     
  13. geckopelli

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    Hiensberg's Uncertainty Principle, of course.

    There is a place we can never look-- and maybe a time we can never know.
     
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    I don't see interruption here, uncertainty in this instance means indefinite, eternal, perpetually emerging.
     
  15. geckopelli

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    Except for emerging-- yes.

    Emerging is a definitive action. Uncertainty is--Uncertain.
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    Quantum theory says that it is not possible to know when and where a single quatum of basic energy(mass) is; only where it WAS-- but not where it's going. So the best we can do is say where it might be. ???

    The observer affects the observed. But we cannot observe anything within the realm of the Unobservable--Uncertainty. So, according to Eienstien and Schroediger, ANYTHING may have occured within that realm.

    Now the thing is, the smallest wavicle cannot be detected, not even within the realm of it's inherent Uncertainty of time and position until that wavicle's presence has been detected as part of Reality.
    So if we can't detect it, by the priciple of Reality = Observed+Observer, it's not real UNLESS it exist within the Realm of Uncertainty.
    The [next] GOD particle?
     
  16. thedope

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    Emerging in the sense that the die of probability is cast anew in every moment.
     
  17. famewalk

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    Exactly; and the time fpr Possibility needs no conscience. Do you know what is happening NOW?
     
  18. thedope

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    Here. Not a discrete location.
    Now. Not a moment in time.
     
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    you say that a wavicle cannot be detected.
    can a million wavicles put together into a pile of wavicles be detected?
    how about 100 billion wavicles?
     
  20. thedope

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    Who say dat.
     

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