Regarding the illegal immigration issue

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Pressed_Rat, Mar 29, 2006.

  1. Pointbreak

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    Not really. They'd have to go after everyone who has a maid, a gardener, a babysitter, whatever. How many times have politicians been busted for having "undocumented domestic staff" working for them? Its exactly like drugs - so many people are doing it that if they actually found a way to bust them all, half the country would need to be employed investingating or imprisoning the other half.
     
  2. Oz!

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    Does the DEA only patrol the borders now?
     
  3. Oz!

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    so because illegal workers have integrated themselves as to be almost a necessity.... it's constantly overlooked that it's done?

    so, realistically, only the actual act of illegally entering the country is frowned upon, if you get in, and get a job...... it's business as usual?

    Odd, but interesting.... seems an odd way to go about things to me tho' :)
     
  4. Motion

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    Because they are already in America in huge numbers(12 mil) and won't get deported anytime soon.

    Also by giving them legal work status they will be no different than any American worker. Which means that they will have to be paid minimum wage and recieve the same benefits as Americans. If they aren't no longer illegal then employers will see no particular reason to hire them over American workers since they can't pay them cheaply anymore. This could have the affect of eventually slowing down illegal-immigration once it becomes known in Mexico that they won't be able to get cheaper jobs like they used to.
     
  5. HuckFinn

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    That's asinine. 12 million illegal aliens is a far cry from half the American population. A serious crackdown on unscrupulous employers would (1) chill the demand to employ illegal aliens, thus reducing the illegal immigration rate, and (2) very likely result in many of the illegal aliens already here returning to Mexico, as the availability of jobs and government handouts dwindled.
     
  6. Pointbreak

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    12 million, and everyone who employs them even for one day or aids or abets them in any way is now an accessory to a crime. So how many does that make it? "only" 25 million people? only 50 million?
    Replace the word illegal aliens with drugs or prostitution (or alcohol), and you'll see how hopeless that it. These are willing workers and willing employers. You make it sound like its a few factory owners. Millions of people employ these illegals as gardeners, maids, whatever. You think the police want to have 25 million MORE criminals that they have to chase down, investigage, arrest, and imprison? You think criminalising such a huge segment of society is a good idea?
     
  7. HuckFinn

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    I'm not ready to throw in the towel, when we've never even seriously tried to enforce our immigration laws. Three basic measures would put a huge dent in the problem:

    1) Crack down on the largest unlawful employers.
    2) Build a security fence along the entire Mexican border. (This would also avert many deaths in the desert.)
    3) Stop requiring state and local police to turn a blind eye to immigration violations, especially by those who commit other crimes.

    We'd still have "undocumented" gardeners, nannies, etc. but the situation would be much more manageable.
     
  8. Pointbreak

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    1) Crack down on the largest drug dealers
    2) Build a security fence along the entire Mexican border. Seal off the country and build a Fortress America
    3) Stop requiring state and local police to turn a blind eye to small scale drug users, and toughen up 'slap on the wrist' penalties.


    We'll have this drug problem sorted in no time.
     
  9. HuckFinn

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    The difference is that these previous waves of immigrants were (1) legal and (2) willing to assimilate. Now they demand government services in Spanish.
     
  10. HuckFinn

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    For hard narcotics, you bet.


    Don't cut off immigration, but funnel it through the appropriate checkpoints.


    Police often work cooperatively with the FBI, DEA, etc. Why should the INS be off limits?
     
  11. Motion

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    Mexico acknowleding repsonsibility:



    Immigration

    Mexico will work to create more jobs and expand its economy to help curb the number of Mexicans crossing into the U.S. once an immigration bill, now being debated in the U.S. Senate, becomes law, Fox said. Mexico won't patrol its northern border to stop immigration, he said.

    An immigration accord ``implies more responsibility for Mexico,'' Fox said. ``We're not betting on more people leaving to work in the U.S. Our interest is to employ people here.

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