Religion is a form of psychosis

Occam:

No doubt.

How would you know? Arch paradox is surmountable only by understanding!

--You still haven't realized the universe is reality? What we may claim of it as ours, is only our reality.

Whoever said there was an 'outside' reality? In truth, it is those who purport to conceptualise non-existence who would have an 'outside' lol

Why would you ask those whose glance, whose physical aspect does not betray something in the way of a 'token' answer (which I may add is the only kind of answer to the question of non-existence.

 

psychosis is a word that has been used by some people to label the mental state of others as sick and unhealthy, not fit for the mainstream of society. If someone spends 20 years learning what the government wants you to know and accepts their view on how people with different views should be treated, then that qualifies that person to lock up other people who have different views, call them pyschotic and shoot them full of behavior modifying drugs. There are a few people that reject the governments view and recognize that the psychotic is trying , in their own way, to conceptualize their experience, in non-traditional ways. The experience can have spiritual significance and therefore is, as the starter of this thread proposed, a religous experience, although not a negative but a positive one.

 

Can you please give an example of a non-traditional spiritually significant positive psychotic religious experience?

 

This is the experience of the Shaman.

Peace and Love

 

How is shamanic experience psychotic?

 

... sighs ...

... shakes head...

Here is my one liner of wisdom in response to yours:

To make sense of Life, the Universe, and all that is around you without first making sense of your own death, is sheer idiocy and madness at it's highest form; for, there is only one thing sure and true about your life: IT ENDS.

Let that sentence burn in the back of your anti-religious brains and souls while your try and sleep tonight.

 

not to mention the original author of this thread forgot one my favorite quotes of all time

"GOD DOES NOT THROW DICE"

- ALBERT EINSTEIN

 

Death isn't the only thing true of life!

How does one make sense of ones own death Nik?

 

That was something he said based on his faith not from being a scientist nor does it make it true.

What's the big deal about death? People live and people die, its quite simple. I don't want to die right now, because there's a lot things I want to do, but its gonna be awesome when I die, I think it will be a great experience.

 

Lots of theories out there... study them on your own. Think upon them meditate upon them, and eventually you will make somekind of sense out of it.

 

Nikalaus:

One doesn't make sense of ones own death, only ones life.

This is no theory.

 

The LSD experience

 

lsd has traditions enough not to have them. And magic? What does description matter?

 

i think the point most people miss about reality is that the overwhelming majority of it lies outside of their personal experience. and really isn't capable of doing otherwise.

so for one person to try and dictate another's perception of it, is both absurd, and not entirely honest.

we don't KNOW that there arn't gods. we don't KNOW that there can't be. or that there needs to.

we only know, what we can observe, and that is pretty much limited to the shapes and colors of our surroundings, and that some things happen more often then others and that some things happen more often when other things happen first.

we can however, construct much that is useful and gratifying from these seamingly meager near certainties. and have no real need for pointless concerns over the mystries beyond them remaining eternally mysterious and unknown.

no need not to simply enjoy their unknownness and that they are, and the love and friendship of whatever also lives there in them, beyond what our tangable senses can neither confirm nor deny.

and certainly no need or even sense, to impose names and descriptions upon what we, in any veryfiable sense, can only conjur such names and descriptions, out of shere conjectural speculation.

we can, or at least i do, feel there is something there, that i, and many otheres, have felt and been hugged by. yet there is a thing about this feeling of spiritness, that for me, and to me, nothing we are capable of saying about it, has that same sense to it, as an aspect of any such experience itself.

so i think people for the most part, blind themselves by imposing these names.
religeon, belief, faith, whatever you want to call it, that is what i see as doing.

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I get the feeling that themnax believes me to be a cold, dry, hugless being, imposing myself upon everything out of piggery.

lol Speak for yourself! You don't know that I don't know that there aren't gods! As for the possibility of them coming into being, or the necessity for them to, keep embracing the unknown if you can do so in love and without losing yourself. My use of the word magic for instance should be treated with the highest degree of spiritedness.

 

In reference to what themnax mentions, there are different types of reality, namely, there's the type of "reality" that people believe in to be true and then there's the type of "reality" that won't go away, even when a person honestly doesn't believe in it. Which reality do most people live in?

Either way that isn't important, as to the original post topic, "psychosis" is a psychological term, which is a science. Science deals in things that can be measured, observed, etc of repeatable evidence and there is none for "god/s".

 

If we can know only our perceptions, why should one think that there is anything else "out there", any other "reality" unperceived?

 

I believe the mystical and psychotic experience to be one and the same. Today we lock up those who have such experiences and call them psychotic. It is an experience that is personal and cannot be understood by others. Most of the trouble comes when the experience is not well integrated and the psychotic believes themselves to be manipulated or controlled by "powers" and or "gods" "out there". There is no need to do so. It is usually just a case of an overdose of syncronicity awareness. I also believe that LSD can also be an agent for such an experience and that it can be of beneficial use to an understanding of the psyche. Trying to measure it is difficult but there have been some studies that showed some statistically significant correlations between LSD use in subjects and increased feelings of what want for a better term I shall say "spiritualism". It is not necessary to bring "god" into the discussion but for some that is a term that they can relate to. Religion does not need to have "god".

 

ever stub your toe when you weren't expecting to?

were you ever an infant and heard people speaking in another room you had never yet seen? and didn't quite understand what they were saying?

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I do not deny what appears to be the case to me at the moment, only statements about "non evident" reality