Religion is dead

So who says religion has to have a heaven and hell, sin and morals? My religion has none of these things, and on top of all this I am a free thinker.

So does this mean I am going nowhere?

 

I refuse to get entangled in the semantics plagueing this thread, but I will drop my OPINION on religion.

Religions are all good as long as one knows how to intelligently apply them to their own lives. However, when one of say christianity is exposed to a muslim they feel the need to convert the muslim to christianity to "save" them. The same is true for most religions where converting the "misled" is a virtue of some form. If the other person is perfectly content with their religion and has strong enough faith they will undoubtedly attempt to "save" the person that attempted to "save" them. This will lead to conflict. Now in our global world where international borders and boundries shrink daily, coupled with our global economy these disputes and conflicts become much more widespread and deadly serious. Case in point is Israel vs. majority of the middle east.

Thus religion is outdated and flawed. If you raise a child to praise the great elder spirit and instill in them the values of said spirit, they will violently believe in it. I am an atheist so this will bias my opinion, but I believe that only through unity and lack of religion can we ever truly find peace.

 

You show about the same intelligence and logical reasoning skills of a second grader. Allah is the same God that the Jews and the Christians worship. Islam embraces the Bible and Torah as a message from God. It accepts all the prophets of Judaism and Christianity. It's obvious you are not knowledgeable in Islam and have no right to make false claims upon my religion, it's apparent you are speaking from bias. Just because you assume that he is talking about Jews doesn't mean you're right.

 

The entire world once believed the earth was flat, obviously this is an undeniable fact as well? By believing the media you only show that you lack the intelligence to think for yourself; you show nothing but ignorance and extreme bias. You can't even differentiate what the media claims as Islam; the vast majority of so called 'extremists' are Shi'a, they don't believe in mainstream Islam. It's like me seeing a KKK group hanging an African-American on the news. Obviously this means the entire nation of America, all Christians across the world are members of the KKK, right?

You ask me to open my eyes when you cannot open yours.

 

And one major concept people often confuse is they think Islam states than any non-believers will burn in hell forever, when it embraces the opposite. It states that any and all may reach heaven, although it may take some time. Islam is basically the same as what Christianity and Judaism once were, it just claims that they have been corrupted, which has been proven since history. Never will any Jews, Christians, even satanics be condemned to hell for eternity in Islam.

 

Could mean you've already arrived there -

Maybe it's not a place but a journey...

 

First you were positive that I made up those quotes, then you were positive that the Koran couldn’t be translated, then you were positive that they couldn’t possibly talking about Jews. The only thing your consistent with is how positively wrong you are! YOU are the one insisting the world is flat!!! You’re dancing around the subject with pointless insults and irrelevant garbage in a pathetic and desperate attempt to discredit my posts and cloud the actual topic at hand.



The God damn KKK, a very very small population (more like a few families) of religious Southern American Christians are not conspiring for nuclear weapons to carry out the genocide of 6 million people. Yes their called Shi'a Muslim, as if I give a fuck about the naming details, what’s important is the FACT that they represent 89% of the Iranian religious population, about 61 Million people OPENLY hell bent on the GENOCIDE of the Jewish race!!!



I am no media tool, I’m not brainwashed with deep seeded emotional hatred for any race. I don’t hate any Muslims, I hate the SICKNESS of extremist religion that they are stricken with. It’s kind of ironic that I make a post warning people of the most hateful, destructive, sick, and twisted shit I’ve witnessed and all I get is attacked as if I was the Ignorant hate monger! We are reaching the “End of Days”, destroying this planet, not because religion predicted it but because the ignorant, sickened religious BILLIONS have WILLED IT TO BE!!!



YOU are hopelessly lost!!!!!!!!

 

"Did you not watch the video I talked about earlier? Do you ever see the news from the middle east? Where were you on 9-11? Millions of these people are acting on this hate, this is an undeniable fact!!! Mob scenes, violence and death threats over cartoons!!! What planet do you live on where this is not 100% obvious!!??

Are you honestly trying to tell me that you believe religious extremists don’t ever take violent action from this book? Are you fucking kidding me?????!!! That’s absolutely ludicrous!!! Open your eyes man!!!!"


sure they take action, but it's over a false interpretation. you have more in common with these extremists than most muslims. as far as the news-this does not represent the majority. it represents what those in control of the media want ignorant people to believe is the majority. a simple audio/visual class in high school could teach you the basics of that system. what you're not getting is that i am not trying to deny what is going on-but these people are such a small percentage of the actual muslim population, and aren't even considered muslim by the majority. it's really easy to take the hurt that has been caused by these people, turn it into hatred, and focus it on a huge group of people. this is something this is what you are criticizing organized religion of doing, and yet very obviously doing it yourself. it's much harder to investigate for yourself the true circumstances and see people as individuals-each with their own story. i used to think atheists were automatically intelligent for rejecting organized religion, but you have shown me my error. you are ignorantly stereotyping a much larger number of people than you probably even realize, who don't even belong in the same group. stereotyping people who do belong in the same group is ridiculous, and the things you are stating are beyond anything that could be considered coherent.

 

by the way, if the world is dying, it is the result of many factors. for you to blame religion for this.....is this all a joke? did you just want to see what people on here would say if you brought up the most generic, ignorant statements you could think of? i don't understand how someone could think this way at your age.

 

What's wrong with peing positive? I take pride in the amount of time I dedicate to research the subject upon which I debate, unlike you. I insist the world is flat? You are the one who just said you believe that whatever everyone else is believing at the current time must be true. I am the one dancing around the subjects with pointless insults and irrevlevant garbage in a desperate attempt to discredit your posts? Take a look in the mirror buddy, you just described yourself exactly.

So you're making up statistics now? And you know that 61 million people are hell bent on genocide? How? Oh, right, the media told you. I'm not even sure if Muslims in general make up 89% of Iran; but I can tell you that Shi'as make up a very, very small percentage of the Muslim population. The fact here is you have decided to create ficticious lies in an attempt to discredit my knowledge.

You stereotyped Muslims and now you say you don't hate them. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Ironic.

 

Exactly. Relaxx you are ranting on like a 10 year old who can't have his way. Science is based on accuracy and precision of data, if there is the slightest notion that a set of data has impurities, it is discarded. The same applies here; you have not been to this countries, you do not know these people, yet you continue to stereotype them and try and tell me your 'facts'. By logical reasoning it is literally impossible for you to have a correct view of the current situation; such means every one of your statements lack credibility. If you cannot see this in a moral or ethical way, hopefully you can see it logically, if not, unfortunately I suspect it is you, sir, who are hopelessly lost.

 

much of the discourse in this thread would suggest, by it's very nature, not so much that religeon is dead, but that the good purpose of all beliefs, has become forgotten and obscured by these loud voices arguing the dark sides of one belief versus the dark sides of another.

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one might well ask; "is love dead?"
is wishing to build heavens instead of hells dead?

or instead, are these things merely being occluded and out shouted by fantical voices of gratuitous hatred from ALL sides?

figgs are not born of thistles.

the world is not made a better place by brutalizing it with war.
and don't try to tell me "the other guy started it".

politicians started it. not christ, or mahammid or baha'u'llah or any other revealer of organized belief.

and for resons that don't have a damd thing to do with any belief either
whatever fanatical corporate idology tries to pretend to the contrary.

christianity does NOT = belief
islam does NOT = belief

christianity and islam ARE beliefS. two among many.
and those who use either against the other do not deserve to be called either, nor anything other then corrupt.

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According to Nationmaster, CIA world factbook, and the Religious Freedom report YOU are WRONG AGAIN!!!

I’ve yet to see you attempt to back up any of your ridiculous excuses, your worthless insults and cloud cover aren’t worth my time to even read anymore, reply if you want with more nonsense and LIES but I won’t be reading any of it. It’s a pointless waste of my time!

 

wow, it's over. we can all relaxxx.

 

seems we reached the same conclusion.

We must be right!!!!

 

must be.

 

right.

 

If the head of intelligence of the 'war in Iraq' doesn't even know the difference between a Sunni and a Shi'a, what makes you think they will have any idea as to the statistics? Even if it is true, it would be the one exception that every rule has. You continue to focus on Iran, one country, I am talking about Islam as a whole; the fact is Sunni's vastly outnumber Shi'a, as you can plainly see I am not wrong. Besides, if Iran is mostly Shi'a that only furthers my point; Shi'a are only recognized as Muslims by themselves, they are not Muslim as far as the majority of Muslims are concerned.

And regarding to government, history has shown us the benefits of questioning authority; you my friend, are a tool for them, their slave.

It seems the world today thinks that because they take a few minutes to research a subject the automatically become experts. To truly gain credibility you must learn first hand; surgeons don't truly gain experience about operating by using Google. You have made it apparent that you lack the will to controlling an open mind.