Religion.

Oh yeah. Thanks for reminding me of that point here. If God didn't create the world, then how did it all appear? "It has always been that way" doesn't look probable to me, I'll tell you why. It is NOT our everyday experience, things that exist forever. We get bourn and we die. Things get made and get broken. Nothing we see lasts forever. But things appear out of SOMETHING in our everyday experience. And so the world must have appeared out of something, even the moderm physics acknowleges that, along with the fact that our Universe is NOT endless, but has its borders. The laws they discover lead them to this unmistakable conclusion, that our Universe has not been here forever, either.

Second point: just live your home without maintenance; it will dereriorate and get dilapidated. Whey doesn't our Universe or our Earth get "dilapidated"? Even in spite of the harm caused by humans, you know. Where does this regeneration power come from? Just don't tell me it's out of nothing, he-he. Someone is looking after it.

 

/\ Exactly. Like I said earlier about science disproving itself completely. It is law that something cant come from nothing. So I wonder how the brainiacs came up with the Big Bang if they aren't following their own set rules.

 

Athiest.

 

1) Ok if God created the universe, then who created God?
2) Sorry man but if you think earth is not getting "dilapidated" then you really need to take a look around.

 

same way the brainiacs thought of the theory of god. I think its pretty funny though to think that the universe just stops and that its been here forever. To say the world and universe has been here forever is the dumbest thing ever, yes its been here for along time but nothing its forever, something was before that time. So my question is....if god has existed for all these years how come in the 9 billion years only 2,000 yrs of human thoughts have been atained around this "god theory". 50 million years ago dinosaurs ruled but were they pussies and scared of death so they had to make up a fake god concept? No. Only reason man wants to believe in something after death is because we are scared because we know the truth about death deep down, its the same for all creatures and were not anymore special. Duh

btw " It is law that something cant come from nothing" HAHHAHAHHAHA then WTF IS GOD? SOMETHING MADE FROM NOTHING??? I love when people contradict statements

 

i beleive in god, been reading aboout sikhism latley i find it really cool im gonna go to the temple, might convert

 

atheist. the concept of a god or deity in charge doesn't make sense to me. not enough evidence, and too many things in this world for a god to exist. I do however believe in energy and karma, and what happens after this life, who knows. maybe something, maybe nothing, maybe a higher consciousness, maybe something else. only time will tell. or it won't.

 

well, i'm not sure exactly what you mean by "2,000 yrs of human thoughts have been atained around this 'god theory'" as those words in that order don't make much sense, but i'm guessing you're saying religion has only existed for the past two thousand years?

if so, its one of the most incorrect statements in the entire thread.

jesus lived and died somewhere around 2000 years ago, but this was not the origin of religion. not by a long shot. the earliest sections of our histories have detailed incredibly complex religions and spiritual concepts, and various archeological finds (and complex theologies at the time when people first starting righting things down) would definitely indicate that religion is a prehistoric "invention." prehistoric graves have been found with remnants of flowers, as well as manmade artifacts, indicating the presence of beliefs regarding life and death, an afterlife, and ceremonial behaviors upon the death of another person (burial, funeral, etc.) of course we can't know much about their beliefs as this is dealing with prehistory, but we KNOW that religion predates writing.

i believe hinduism has existed for at least somewhere around 5,000 years and is one of the oldest religions still widely practiced around the world.

even some nonhuman animals show concern for others when it comes to life and death, even if they do not likely have advanced concepts of religion. particularly other primates seem to have strong emotional attachments to others and grieve the deaths of loved ones.

i dont know if you really meant that religion has only existed since the past two thousand years, but thats what it sounded like....

before you laugh at the opinions or beliefs of others and try to make them sound stupid, perhaps it would be wise to make sure your "facts" are accurate...

but as i said i may have misunderstood your claim. if thats the case i'd like to apologize.

 

So are you saying the sumerians and egyptians were basing technologies about everything on jesus or extra terristrial life forms? If hinduism has been around for 5,000 yrs and jesus only around for 2,000 then who did they believe in? I would like to see these "facts" that you so knowningly have. Just because people were buried with artifacts dosent mean that they were religious, simply could mean they were of high ranking in the community and they deserved to be buried with their materials. Vikings would be buried with tons of different things... I think "it is law that something cant come from nothing" is one of the biggest incorrect statements here. The reason I laugh so much at people is because they seemed so brainwashed by god. My mom works at the church, I was baptized, confirmed the whole 9 yards and I went to church twice a week for 12 yrs....Ive seen what Ive seen and to put ALL belief in jesus really seems ludacris and insane. I would laugh at the people who went to church because I know the only reason they were going is cuz they were pussies about death. Once you understand that there is nothing more its easier to get on with shit. So do animals go to our heaven also? Are the dinoasuars already waiting for us up there? What about the micro organisms that were formed billions of years ago, I cant wait to see them too, Im sure Peter let them right in cuz they didnt sin

 

Are you sure you should be the one laughing at other's Jake? wow. You need physical proof that Hinduism is over 5,000 years old? Which in fact it is older, the early Veda's are not know just exactly how old they are but the Bhagavad Gita, only part of the Mahabarata, is thought to have been written 5,000 years ago. And if you actually did some research, you would find the Vedic literature not only included philosophy on the spirit but it also included philosophy on the subatomic structure of every gross material particle as well as a description of what direction mankind would, and has since, moved in including the harnessing of electricity and the power of nuclear energy.
You need proof? Go to India and watch people pray in stone temples that are several times older than the time period of Jesus Christ.
Remember the Three Wise Men who supposedly came from the East when Christ was born? How about Buddha, and the Buddhist statues that are all over the Asiatic continent that are obviously much older than Christianity and the time period of Christ's existence?
Seriously Jake it's nice that you care enough about other people less fortunate than you because they dont have the confidence that you have to think for themselves. But before you go and assumer we are all brainwashed, fearful pussies, you might want to read a book or two.
In fact, why not start with the Tibetan Book of the Dead which is highly regarded in both the Buddhist community and the psychededlic community because of it's detailing how a fear of death poisons the mind and body and causes confusion? Seems to be right up your alley for an introduction to a whole new level of philosophical thought.

 

Two words, my friend:
"old testament" It's part of the bible which is also the Torah (Judaism)
Surely that came up at some point during the 12 years you spent attending church twice a week.

 

I believe there is a mystical "thing" in the universe, more like the universe is a living thing and we can feel its presence. Some people come to refer to it as a "god". But other then that, no. I do believe in Buddha but I think he was just another smart man like Maynard Keenan or Timothy Leary or Hoffman.

 

First of all, There have been waaaaayyyyy more then 2000 years of human thought atained around "God Theory". Humans have been coming up with Relgions for millions of years. As for the Dinosaurs, they didnt come up religion because there brains were too small have the cognitive capacity to do so. If an animal Gains the capacy to think, learn, talk, and communicate. The next thing its gonna do is wonder how and why it exists. As for the God is something made from nothing. Who ever said God is a "something" Perhaps god has no mass but just exists. If there is a God then that God is way more complex for any human to ever figure out what it is, or how or why it exists.

 

that was pointless information

 

Just picked it up today for you. I'll report back on this confusion I am having, aka not beliveing in bs. Thx for the advice, I have never read a book before so I guess I'll take a look at one or maybe even two...whoa my mind is over flowing with information.

 

Should I even finish reading the rest of this....

 

And I'm sure u never make typos

 

i'm lazy, so i only used wikipedia as a reference, though hinduism is one of the most widely practised religions in the world, and also the oldest currently widely practiced.

heres a bit of the section on the history of hinduism:

 

How is it pointless? It addresses and contradicts your time frame in which you suppose the concept of god is limited. It's quite useful in backing up a point contrary to the assumption behind you assertion. You give the "god" concept a window of 2,000 years of existence- I'll take that rough 2,000 years and add 8 to it then add 2,166 to that (Abraham is said to be born in 2,166 B.C.) and get 4,174... and I'm willing to wager that even in the Judeo-Christian body of concept may well have predated that- and I'm sure that with sufficient research I could find sources supporting that. Of course, why should I even bother if I'm confident that you're just going to brush it off as pointless or useless?

The New Testament was written at the time of Jesus Christ and after which is the 2,000 years which you are so scoffingly dismissive of... the old testament (Torah) predates that by at least 2,000 more years. Because some information contradicts what you seem to be pulling out of your ass you call it useless. You're laughing at other people's contributions on the subject, the least you can do- as has been said before- is get your facts straight. Oh looky here, I have a rough timeline for you. Oh, maybe one source isn't enough to satisy you... well here's another but I'm sure you're not going to be interested in reading those are you because you're just here to ridicule what other people contribute and not to furnish any real argument of your own. We call that trolling here. Would you care to try backing up your end of the argument with something concrete and at least show some courtesy to people whose opinions and understanding don't match yours or are otherwise not interested in kissing your ass because you're just trying to be mister tough guy know-it-all who's calculating that no one is actually going to bother standing up to your bullshit? I really don't see anything of real value in most of your contributions to this discussions. I'm inclined to suspend disbelief enough to assume that you have something of value to other topics and would hate to deprive other people of the benefit of whatever it is that you can bring to the table here so I strongly suggest that you rethink your approach to arguments and at very least take a bit of effort to force courtesy even when you deem the member not worthy of it.

Otherwise it's you who looks as though you have your head in the sand and while being incorrect is not against guidelines here- hell we're all human and can make a mistake time and again... I've done so myself- I admitted as much and tendered apologies to deserving parties- but trolling is most definitely a violation. This has nothing to do with whether or not we ascribe to any faith- it has to do with respecting that some folks will have a faith and allowing them to express the fact that they believe safely without having to deal with sneering know-it-alls who more than a few times prove that they in fact don't know it all.

 

you seem to be very, very confused. religion does not mean christianity. jesus is a central figure in several religions, but most religions have absolutely nothing to do with jesus. the god jesus discussed, worshipped, and promoted was the god worshipped by the jews, the god of abraham, the god that had been worshipped for LOOONG before the birth of jesus. christians believe jesus fulfilled prophecies of a messiah, though many of their beliefs stray VERY far away to judaism to the point where christianity is NOT an extension of judaism. it was a jewish cult that blossomed into the worlds largest religion, mostly due to their love of trying to convert others, often with violance as an ally. jesus's teachings would be accepted by NOBODY if there had not been an idea of the existance of god before him. jesus lived roughly 2000 years ago, but human history extends FAR beyond that, and all cultures we have much historical documentation of, we have a decent knowledge of their religious beliefs. humanity has conceived of various gods for many thousands of years

i dont know where you got the aliens thing from. at any rate, historians DO have a good idea about what sumerian religion looked like. look it up. "sumerian mythology" should be sufficient for any type of search online or in a library.

i'm not saying anybody before jesus based their technology, mathematics or architecture on jesus, aliens, or anything else.

i'm saying they based their spiritual lives on their gods, their myths, their beliefs, stories, and most importantly their consciences. in the case of the sumerians, a bit IS known about their religion. it had nothing to do with jesus, thats for sure, and it had nothing to do with the technology they used.

they did what seemed right....as i understand it inspired by a sense of the divine, that other, unknowable, more powerful force in existance which we cannot find, measure, or prove, but which for many reasons seems quite real to the vast majority of humans present and past...in one form or another.

uhh...well, they didnt believe in jesus. or in god in the same way that the jews and many other religions thought of a single god with no others. there was also for a period in ancient egyptian history in which an emperor officially changed the religious life to a monotheistic (single god) religion. most ancient religions are polytheistic, meaning that they believe in many gods, and often the gods are less "powerful" than the god of a monotheistic religion, not controlling EVERYTHING in the universe simultaneously, but acting more as the behind-the-scenes unseen forces in both the physical and spiritual realms....

there are many forms of hinduism, and i am not a hindu and do not claim to understand it inside and out.

as i understand it, hinduism, like christianity, is polytheistic in appearance but in actuality a monotheistic religion. there is one supreme, ultimate god. however there are lesser "gods" which are generally considered to be incarnations of the one, ultimate god come to earth. there is the trimurti, or essentially hindu trinity, of vishnu, brahma and shiva....i've seen brahma and vishnu as being alternately described as THE main god with all others simply manifestations of him, but ultimately it doesnt matter....all the hindu gods are really one god, and worship of any of the "lesser" gods is in fact worship of THE supreme god by default, which allows for many various denominations and sects and such. among the deities most recognizable to nonhindus are krishna (whom many seem to attribute as "THE" god, too, though as far as i can tell it doesnt matter much as they all are the same, anyway), ganesh, rama, kali, durga, lakshmi, and indra.....

ive been pondering for a bit the possibility that you may have been raised in a very fundamentalist rightwing christian church.....

these are very different from much of christianity and most other religions. religion and science do NOT always conflict. many churches claim the earth is only a few thousand years old and all sorts of wacky things.

most do not claim these sorts of thtings, despite what these evangelical, right wing, narrow minded churches may claim, and many find the claims to be metaphorical in many cases rather than literal.

it seems like your sole exposure to religion is christianity. i can't understand how something like that could happen, but i guess it wouldn't really be the first time....

there are thousands upon thousands of deities of greater or lesser influence than human beings have worshipped around the globe today and in millenia gone by.

we aren't talking about jesus. we're talking about religion. religion is all encompassing. devout hindus, jews, jains, buddhists, christians, muslims, zoroastrians, sikhs, baha'is, or any number of other types of people are all religious whether or not they believe in jesus, and most of them dont.

in the grand scheme of things, jesus is just one deity in a LONG list of deities that humans have worshipped over the many thousands of years that we've had religious thinking

in my personal opinion it doesnt matter what religion it is, it's all essentially the same and its all uncertain. whats more important than the face and name of a deity is the principals of the faith. does it bring rational thought, kindness, ease of spirit, and positive behaviors and attitudes in its followers? does it stress growth, development, and practice in its adherents? does it strive to help ensure people are living sustainably in harmony with their environment and with each other? do they help a person to make sense of themselves and their universe? of existance? these are the important things, not what your god of choice looks like or is named....

in my view it seems most likely that there is a supreme divine force of some sort that is beyond scientific study. a "god" mass, wether an individual god or a collection of many gods...but it does not seem likely to me that god would have a chosen people, one people who would receive his grace and blessings....one person he would reveal himself to. its odd to think that a loving god would choose to grace a small group of people who follow one religion yet punish all the rest of the people in the world, even good people of other faiths....

in my mind it doesnt matter if you're talking about jesus or muhammad or krishna or the buddha or zeus or any other deity ever thought up by humans...our gods are the creation of our minds. they are the result of humans trying to describe the unknowable and undescribable. an unfortunate side effect after thousands of years of various religions is strict dogma and narrowmindedness in many people...people stop seeing the good, beautiful, and loving aspects of their own religions and the religions of others. all religions, practiced in love and respect, have at least SOME good in them, and i believe most of them to be of at least somewhat divine inspiration. this is why i do not see any problem with having a personal understanding of how the universe works...some of my gods are worshipped and recognized by others, some are not. it doesnt matter so much what face god takes....divine is divine....people are too hung up on distinction....its all the same basic stuff in the end, take it or leave it.