Republican Clown Car

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  1. Wizardofodd

    Wizardofodd Senior Member

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    Dude....

    First of all...."trickle down" economics don't work. Period. I won't bore you with the mathematical details because I know that people like you don't believe in things like math, science and history.

    Second....how exactly does 70% of America work for Trump? Not sure if you're using real math or Republican math to come to that number.

    Third....are you saying that if a person doesn't earn as much money as they possibly can then they are living a mediocre life? Or that everyone should be working as much as possible to make sure their kids can have a very easy future? Doesn't that go against your whole "get off you ass and get everything you can for yourself, deadbeats!" mentality?

    Do you know who Warren Buffett is? (I would hope so) He has enough money to make your man, Trump, look like a welfare case. In fact, Trump will never, ever be anywhere as rich as Buffett and guess what Buffet is leaving for his kids? What has he learned from being one of the richest people in the world? He isn't leaving his kids a dime. He told them they will get a college education and that's it. They have to figure out their own place in the world.
     
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  2. Moonglow181

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    am so happy not to be one of the millions.....
     
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  3. *Yogi*

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    His money is invested and made by the 70%, he funds the middle, I also meat 70% work force economy etc. He invest in small business and represents the blue collar, which happen to be high considering the high unemployment! Not all are blue, but for the most part, he is for 'the working man'. All #'s are not accurate political wise anymore, but he has a stronger stance than most.

    Trickle down works for me and the people I deal with! We are building a house. Just sold house, third house now so I have history to prove my $ expenditures. House sold for well over a quarter million dollars and we are still in the frame/roof/sheet/wrap stages. Papers signed and only changes and modifications will be done at their request on their dime! So when I'm contracted to do X, do my job and make a cut, how did trickle down not work for me?

    So this is number 3, safe to say the history of my new venture is paying off real well, not once, twice, but a third on nothing but blood and sweat. Took a chance on a loan, paid off! Now we have no problems and pure profit.

    I decided a career change/hold would pay off, it did! I also have a solo business I do in my spare time so that I can do whatever the fuck I want! I'm not going to settle for low wage, and I'm not a libtard to pay a union to represent me, when I have the balls and gift of gab to get close to or what I want.
    People have no spare time anymore, living beyond their means. So they have to hire and pay top dollar if they want top results. Cash money only! Again, how does trickle down not work in my favor?

    Good for Warren buffet, if they want it bad enough, they will work for it. A college education is a great thing, along with a library card and the interwebz. It's amazing the stuff you learn, pick up, trial and error and most importantly, the loop holes! You don't have to have a diploma and still earn money.

    I guess some are screwed, or don't take the chances and opportunities that are available to them. But for anyone less than a millionaire, can not sit there and say, 60k a year is great, but 75k would be even better! Some are happy with 60, I would rather work a bit more to have more. To each their own I guess, I was raised to be you're own boss think for yourself!
     
  4. Kick Frenzy

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    Building houses, but also a big fan of loopholes?


    I sure hope you don't build them anywhere near wherever I end up moving to.
     
  5. *Yogi*

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    Don't need you're money anyway, doing fine as is!

    Loop holes, umbrella companies and the like are great until the have a FLAT TAX. Don't worry though, we get taxed enough as it is to pay the way for 5 welfare/handout libtards! But until that day comes, I always forget to record jobs and payment!
     
  6. Wizardofodd

    Wizardofodd Senior Member

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    You have got to be so far out of touch with how the average American lives. If you're that successful...great. So am I but we do not owe it to trickle down economics. That's total bullshit. You are right in saying we owe it to our own gambling but the average person doesn't get to play that game. They have to worry about food and utilities. They have to worry about making a payment on some crappy car that they can barely afford. I was thinking about this tonight...most of my friends own companies. We are not people who are struggling but most of us have an uncomfortable sense that we should be doing more. I know what is being said behind closed doors. You and I both live in Iowa but in my part of the state...we're trying to figure out business models that work for everyone because we know that our success depends on our employees success. We are not above them. We need them to do well.
     
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  7. Gongshaman

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    In other words you are a cheater. May the IRS eat you for lunch one day.
     
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  8. Wizardofodd

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    In my last post, I shouldn't have used the term "companies". It would be better to say that most of us are self-employed small business owners.....not like we employ 300 people each.
     
  9. MeAgain

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    A June, 23, 2015 International Monetary Fund report on the trickle down has stated that it doesn't work.
    http://www.triplepundit.com/2015/06/international-monetary-fund-blasts-trickle-economics-new-report/

    "We find that increasing the income share of the poor and the middle class actually increases growth while a rising income share of the top 20 percent results in lower growth—that is, when the rich get richer, benefits do not trickle down." https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/cat/longres.aspx?sk=42986.0

    https://youtu.be/ZiDmpoGL_bU
     
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  10. rjhangover

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    Jeb is trying to out outrageous Trump, by saying that Iraq is Hillary and Obama's fault. The worst, is millions of morons in this country buy it. It's lying rhetoric that got Hitler into power. History repeat?
     
  11. MeAgain

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    Loopholes are a "way of avoiding or escaping a cost or legal burden that would otherwise apply by means of an omission or ambiguity in the wording of a contract or law." In other words you find a means to avoid paying what the law requires by using hocus pocus to cheat those who pay their fair share.

    You better get details on a flat tax. "A frequent criticism of the flat tax is that it may disproportionately benefit the very rich, since they have so much investment income, which would be tax-free.....(to maintain) the current amount of revenue, that would require a flat rate of at least 25%....."

    Now if you make $50,000 a year a 25% tax leaves you with $37,000 for your mortgage, car payment and maintenance, school loans, health insurance, food, entertainment, etc.
    If you make $1,000,000 a year a 25% tax leaves you with $750,000 A YEAR for your mortgage which you don't have if you live in a reasonably priced home, your car payment and maintenance which you don't have if you just buy a new Cadillac out right every year, your school loans which you don't have if you went to a reasonably priced private school, your health insurance which cost the same as the poor $50,000 a year peon or is probably paid for by whatever company is paying you a million a year, food, and entertainment, etc. Plus any excess you get to invest in tax free securities.

    In addition if you save every penny of your after taxes $37,000 it will take you over 20 years to accumulate the $750,000 after tax income of the other guy.
    If he doesn't spend any of his $750,000 he will have saved over 15 million. Not counting interest.
    Sounds real fair to me.

    Finally you "forget" (which means deliberately omit and deceive) to record jobs and payment to which taxes may be due...in other words you lie, break the law, and probably commit fraud, yet you deride those who legally accept aid in their time of need.

    Nice.
     
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  12. *Yogi*

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    That's exactly right a gamble!

    You think I don't have bills? A kid? Vehicles to keep up on and equipment! House's, properties etc.

    Can't loose what you don't put out in the middle, everyone has that option. Some feel it might not work and play it safe. Fine if you think that's all you can do.

    You said it yourself, you could do more! The 'more', is where the money is. Hard work and long hours. I don't need to tell you this! I even took on a side job today in 100° real feel for that little extra for my family.
    What works for everyone, don't always work for you. Who gives a fuck what works for another, take care of our own! That's like trying to start a business and giving discounts to all you're friends. Won't be in business long!

    Fuck the IRS and what they can't do! They can't prove ANYTHING! If so, I'll flop everything over to 'donations' only, and pay $0 tax! No set price on paper and when done, a helpful donation.

    I think the country has enough scammed money, they don't need anymore! If so, send a letter to capital hill and tell them to actually work for and pay tax on, their money! They have too much free time, a second or side jobs won't hurt um!
     
  13. *Yogi*

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    If I'm 'so far out of touch', good, I'm happy to be where I am at. The money made at my age and years to come, I'm glad I'm out of touch then! Cream and dollar bills, shit don't get paid with smiles!
     
  14. Wizardofodd

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    I could do more....yes. But I don't care to. Just because I can do more doesn't mean others can as well. Lot's of people don't have the option of doing more for numerous reasons or gambling money they don't have. And yes...doing more would mean more money but I've already said that I don't care about making more money.

    As far as discounts...when I started out, I regularly gave friends discounts. From my first day in business, I've given poor, elderly people ridiculously low prices...and then gave them an honest senior discount on top of that. I did that to be kind but also because I saw how it would pay dividends later. My business philosophy must be a bit more effective than what you're doing because these days....I turn down most "side work" (unless my guys want to go do it, they make a lot of money on that work or...if someone is really in a jam and need us to help them out), I do 100% free work for all of my friends and I do much more of that than I do regular residential work....while still paying my guys to be there working.

    My philosophy clearly represents my egalitarian mindset of decency, fairness, kindness and not having to make a profit from everything I do. Your mindset clearly represents your Republican values of getting everything you can for yourself and to hell with anyone else. Far enough. To each, their own. But....I'm not the one feeling like I need to be killing myself in 100 degree heat on some side job just to get a few extra bucks for the family.
     
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  15. Meliai

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    I basically hate everything about Yogi's philosophy, that the only way to get ahead in life is to work so much you don't have time left over for anything else. What the hell is the point of making money if you don't have time left to enjoy it? The American work ethic is misguided as hell.
     
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  16. Gongshaman

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    Ditto
    Everyone trying to get ahead of the next guy by whatever means necessary.
    Or people making 200 grand a year and still buried in credit trying to live up to the standards of their 300 grand a year neighbor...
     
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  17. Wizardofodd

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    Exactly. And time really is money...in fact...it's better than money. I value my free time to do things I enjoy much more than I value more money that doesn't make me any happier than I am now and it costs me the time that I could use doing things that do make me happy. So when I do work for free...in part, I'm being nice but I'm also saying that I value you enough to sacrifice some of what I hold most cherished. I think that's what friends do.

    And I do get things in return because they do the same for me. My eye doctor is a great friend of mine. He doesn't pay for the work we do, I don't pay to go to the eye doctor.
     
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    Actually, no.

    Time is time, and money is money.


    Both are human inventions meant to control those at the lower end of the human "food chain"...
     
  19. *Yogi*

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    I stopped by my folks, neighbor asked how much $$ for job. I was already there and had my equipment, and I'm not killing myself for no one. Easy cash money for a meal hours work, took longer to unload.

    I also turn down just as much work as I take on. If I'm not framing I'm out doing my own thing.

    The elderly is a different story, I go out of my way for them. But for friends, I might cut them a deal, but it under cuts the going rate and fucks others in bids. Nothing in this world is free!

    My philosophy of work ethic is great and booming! Too much of anything is just enough! I also take vacations and go rock crawling or ride mx down in Alabama next week, who knows! I don't horde my money, I spend it like I'm printing it.
    If you want to give free labor away, good luck to ya! It don't pay the bills and I highly doubt you're friends will pay them either! Help out yeah, float it all, lmao!

    I help elderly out, the young people pay for most of what they need done or if it's small enough I dont even have time to figure cost. I live in an area I can burn. Elderly people cant bag for one and can't burn in town. The city is too cheap, so I pick it up for them and have bon fires.
    I know my surroundings and what can and can't be done. I help older folks to pay it forward/good karma. Just because I'm ruthless in other areas, don't mean I'm out to make a killing and try to buy my way into?? We will all have to answer for what we have done someday, I don't hold my breath, but I try and help people with no means when I can.

    Good luck to you and yours
     
  20. *Yogi*

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    Don't try and keep up with the neighbors then! Live 'within' you're means! Simple and easy to follow if you have any math skill.
     
  21. Wizardofodd

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    Fair but in our system...money can be measured in blood, sweat and tears and that's why people with more money...accumulated from other peoples efforts...should pay more to society. But that's a totally different topic. Let's go there at another time. :)
     
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