Respect the gender spectrum

Ffs...penis=him; vagina=her.

 

I found the NHS site for gender dysphoria. (NHS is Britain's health care provider.) It says this is the treatment for gender dysphoria.

Treatment

I guess I sort of felt like the discussion about therapy was geared around trying to reverse the dysphoria somehow...

 

Men are from Mars, women are from Venus. Everything else you make up comes from Uranus.

 

What gender are you Irm? I'm a penis person, whatever that's called these days.

 

I'm a girl.
But I guess a Tomboy.
-shrug-

 

What are the causes beyond the issue itself?

 

1. The shift to everyone getting their information social media and youtube. Regardless of what the issue is, does seem to be this thing nowadays where you have to be in one of two camps. you are going to get trolled or bullied by the other camp, but also everyone in the same camp has to think the same way or you get trolled by those in your own camp. incel/metoo
Maga/anti trump etc.....antivaxers/parents with a brain

2. The western world went from concentrating civil rights and racism 60s and 70s to womens rights 80s and 90s, then gay rights, now that most countries have legalized gay marriage, this decade is now about trans rights. We wen through each period, found we couldnt solve all problems, the ones that are too hard, so moved on to the next cause rather than having to face we cant solve all problems. Feels almost like a fad for each decade for something we are supposed to get angry about. Feels like its inevitable everyone is going to get bored of the trans thing soon, and move on to who knows what, Furies maybe

3. Maybe overall females are getting a touch more masculine, males a touch more feminine. Both converging to a middle ground . Mainly because of technology, also things like sports science. You cant really try getting womens competitive sports more popular without the contact sports having a bit of biff, or ball sports not looking likethey are afraid to throw it

 

No link I can post is good enough for you. You have shown a biases on the topic. The burden is on you to prove there are 2 genders at this point. Do you have links outside American right wing ones which are NOT peer reviewed and not factual so not scientific? My links can be peer reviewed.

Here is another brief summery from everyone's favorite guy on this topic. Not trying to be rude but this is a topic that is either a simple summery for non PHD people or the PHD paper which you don't accept and are also often behind pay walls. You can email the professor though and I'm sure they will share it since they don;t make money the site hosting does. They want information out there.

 

Found a Harvard one. You know one of the most respected colleges in the world.


Between the (Gender) Lines: the Science of Transgender Identity - Science in the News

Sex determination – the way we are “coded” into a biological sex – is complicated in and of itself. There are far more options than just “male” or “female,” and countless instances of species that can actually transition from one sex to another within a single lifetime. With most mammals, however, the majority of individuals are cisgender male or female; transgender individuals are estimated to comprise about 0.3% of the adult U.S. population.

 

Oh dear God, Bill Nye?

You are right, no link is going to be good enough for me

He literally doesnt saying anything in that video, apart from gender is a spectrum and X,Y chromosomes, without any explanation

Classic example of the kind of stuff that does my head in, whilst he didnt go into any detail at all about the X,Y chromosomes, he implied they differentiate sex

I dont believe you want to get into a headier scientific discussion, because I dont think you give a shit. An opinion piece written by a guy that has a PhD in a field kind of related, isnt the same as a research paper written by someone with a PhD in that specific field

But if you do, we will start of with the 23rd pair of chromosomes; X,Y. Yes I know if you google sex chromosomes you will get a whole page on wikipedia telling you they are the sex determining chromosomes in mammals. But thats only true in a certain context, a rough level of understanding

X chromosome has 153 million base pairs, roughly 800 genes, the Y chromosome has 59 million base pairs, 70 genes

Now if you believe every one thats claims to know everything about gender, even if its the most qualified sex researcher or clinician on the planet

Then you should be able to explain things like:

Why is the X chromosome 3 times the size of the Y chromosome?, How many of those 870 genes are involved in sex determination?, What do the rest of them do?
If the Platypus is a mammal, how come it has 10 sex determining chromosomes? At the moment of conception, how does the egg know to only let one sperm in and how the hell does little strands of DNA inside the cell communicate with the surface of the cell unless the DNA and thus the X chromosome has nothing to do with that determination?

Plus another 10,000 questions no one on the planet has the answers to.

And if gender is a spectrum, is it linear, 70 genders and counting, did we all have equal chance ending up in any of those 70 equally?

Ambiguous genitalia, or genitalia that requires corrective surgery accounts for 0.1% of the population at most. So 99.9% of us end up with a dick or a vagina

Minus whatever rate you think trans is, those that at some point are going to want sex reassignment, 1 in 2000 at best, which is 0.05%

So, you want to build a third bathroom for 0.15%, go ahead, thing is, 20 years ago that third bathroom was the disabled toilet when everyone flew up a flag for their rights, its already there, so just stick a second sticker on the disabled toilet for gender neutral

10 years time, this fad will be over, no one will give a shit.....do they even have the paralympics anymore?

 

By the way, I'm not kidding with the toilet thing, thats what they did at a University in Sydney, renovated the third (disabled) toilet, stuck a gender neutral sticker on it

 

Good to see they at least don't allow a baby change room in that freekshow.

 

Walking past a FTM trans going into a bathroom, youd have to look really really closely to even notice if you didnt know them personally

and MTF trans, no one is going to pick a fight with one anyway, especially over something like going to the toilet

 

These have been around in the states for years--just called "unisex" or "family" restrooms. To your earlier point though, I think trans people have been using the bathroom of their choosing for as long as there have been trans people and bathrooms for them to choose. It really was never an issue until someone brought up the fact that it was happening and everyone lost their marbles about all of the potential "issues" that could occur from the genders taking a dump a few feet from each other.

 

My wife is one of this bigot racist homophobes that doesn't want men in the female bathrooms. As a lesbian, it doesn't make her comfortable at all. Although it doesn't bother me, I will and have always stuck by her side for her own rights, while many people might not have a personal hang up, plenty of people do have legit issues for the right reasons and she's one of them.

 

Lol, notice how they like that post, because they think you are disagreeing with me because you quoted me...they didnt really read either of our posts

 

I gave it a like because I agree with her point about it not being an issue for all these years until outrage culture made it an issue . Skipped right over your post though

 

Irm, without knowing you I can only imagine that if some erection-bearer made a move on you in the bathroom, you'd beat him/her/it into Special Olympics.

 

I've had this argument many times but I don't pay any attention to the negative feedback I get about it.

Its plain as day to me, my lesbian wife is NOT comfortable sharing a restroom with a male and you can't argue that. Nobody can argue about how she feels, you can tell her she's wrong and blah blah but you can't go be that judgemental about her feelings. They're real, she is not transphobic or anything she just doesn't feel comfortable with it and I'll support that because once again, like I say in every political thread, nobody was created equal with the same equal feelings so there's no point getting upset over it, it's just how it is.

If people aren't bothered by it that's great, that's a great individual quality or way of thinking they have, but don't force that on my wife, she isn't like you and never will be and doesn't have to be, she ahd her legit reasons and some folks might argue oh well a trans person might feel uncomfortable being in one rest room over another, yeah well some people aren't comfortable sharing either and I don't see a fault with that either.

And she isn't on a rage generation, she'd just prefer the company of women, if anybody, in a rest room with her. Now she might grow, she might get used to it. But at the moment no, she will find a female bathroom for her own comfort.

So my solution is to create 3 or 4 bathrooms because honestly you can never have too many toilets in a venue anyway. Male, female, trans and family. If a woman or man, for whatever and any reason doesn't wish to be surrounded by the opposite sex in a restroom, they shouldn't have to be subjected to that nor should they have to be subjected to negative feedback either.

Like a portable toilet is fine, you aren't actually in the same room as somebody else and she has no problem with this even when they aren't lined up together and there may be a male next door, that's not encroaching on her personal space and at the end of the day, everybody is entitled to their personal space, which from security training is arms width. Nobody has a right to tell her or anybody else what their personal space should and should not entail.

 

They do still have the parolympics. They are held in the site that has the Olympics a few weeks latter each time.

What I linked is not an "opinion". It's peer reviewed data much more relevant than your opinion.

No one is asking for any more then 2 bathrooms just the right to decide which one you use.

This is the price you pay for using public space. You have to share it and your personal feelings don't come into play. If want to pee in peace stay at home.

No one has sexual intent in there. This is a common mistake. You change gender just to see my pussy. No, honey get over yourself.