Rip John Lennon

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by Mgmlovespeace, Dec 8, 2008.

  1. BraveSirRubin

    BraveSirRubin Members

    Messages:
    34,144
    Likes Received:
    24
    Well, I read all of Kerouac back when I was a youngin', so I do not know if my reaction would be the same now, and that is indeed a good point.

    "On the Road" is far from his best book.

    His writing has always struck me as genuine, if nothing more. I do not think that there is depth within the writing itself, but more within the style and the flow. You will not find deep ideas, but you will find a whole lot of life.

    It's kinda hard to compare Jack to Allen, it would be easier if Ginsberg wrote much long fiction.
     
  2. Mr. Mojo Risin'

    Mr. Mojo Risin' Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,552
    Likes Received:
    8
    After loving the fuck out of "On the Road", "The Dharma Bums" was a bit of a letdown for me.. I enjoyed it, it flowed well but something was lacking.

    I should check out the rest of his stuff soon. So many books to read, such a short life..
     
  3. nesta

    nesta Banned

    Messages:
    20,538
    Likes Received:
    10
    i agree with virtually all of this

    while i dont necessarily like jack kerouac for the reasons i've listed, i do not doubt how genuine it was.
     
  4. BraveSirRubin

    BraveSirRubin Members

    Messages:
    34,144
    Likes Received:
    24
    You really should read more of his stuff.

    It's entertaining, if anything.
     
  5. nesta

    nesta Banned

    Messages:
    20,538
    Likes Received:
    10
    while i know "on the road" is often considered his most overrated, its also often considered his magnum opus. i found it -INTENSELY- boring and unpleasant throughout most of it.

    this is in drastic opposition to dharma bums, though it, and a few other shorter works, allowed/caused me to view dharma bums in a different light.

    i will at some point read more of his stuff, i'm sure, but i'm skeptical that it is all that good.

    anyway, i suppose we've strayed from the point quite a bit. oh well
     
  6. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

    Messages:
    9,625
    Likes Received:
    8
    I believe that's why I never got into Kerouac. The first and only book I tried to his was "On The Road", I couldnt finish it. Maybe I should give him another chance and pick up another one.
     
  7. nesta

    nesta Banned

    Messages:
    20,538
    Likes Received:
    10
    no worries, the ending was the most dissappointing and anticlimactic of any book i've ever read.

    i felt emptier having read it, rather than enriched
     
  8. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

    Messages:
    9,625
    Likes Received:
    8
    Oh I wouldnt try reading that book again (I tried like 2 different times), but maybe another one of his.
     
  9. nesta

    nesta Banned

    Messages:
    20,538
    Likes Received:
    10
    i did love dharma bums for a while.

    it has its charm.

    i'd give it a shot if i were you, its much better.
     
  10. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

    Messages:
    9,625
    Likes Received:
    8
    I'll keep it in mind. John already has a million books for me to read. I've started lots of them, but Im not quite the avid reader as I used to be. I'm gonna go ahead and blame HF :p

    It's just very important that I pick the right book at the right time. If im not glued to the book, I most likely wont finish it.
     
  11. Mr. Mojo Risin'

    Mr. Mojo Risin' Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,552
    Likes Received:
    8
    Check out Marilyn Manson's cover of "Working Class Hero".

    It's better than the original.
     
  12. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

    Messages:
    50
    Likes Received:
    9,178
    while manson's version is more my style of music than the original, it takes a lot for me to consider a cover to actually be better than its original, since the original is actually an original piece of music and the cover is really just stealing someone else's song and changing it slightly.

    there's several covers that i prefer over their originals, but i still don't usually consider the covers to actually be better.
     
  13. Mr. Mojo Risin'

    Mr. Mojo Risin' Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,552
    Likes Received:
    8
    Several of Nirvana's covers are also better than originals, in my opinion, and I don't even like Nirvana that much.
     
  14. Jaitaiyai

    Jaitaiyai Cianpo di tutti capi

    Messages:
    11,662
    Likes Received:
    0
    Jeff Buckley's cover of Hallelujah was massively more popular (imo better) than the original. Heck, I was just listening to a cover of a Miley Cyrus song by some band who made it tonnes better.
     
  15. Mr. Mojo Risin'

    Mr. Mojo Risin' Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,552
    Likes Received:
    8
    Someone covered Miley Cyrus?
     
  16. Jaitaiyai

    Jaitaiyai Cianpo di tutti capi

    Messages:
    11,662
    Likes Received:
    0
    haha... yep. xD

    I have a CD by NME of covers actually and then my friend sent me a few of Kate Nash's ones.
     
  17. BraveSirRubin

    BraveSirRubin Members

    Messages:
    34,144
    Likes Received:
    24
    That's blasphemy.

    You should be shot for that statement.

    No single Nirvana cover is better than the original. Not one.
     
  18. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

    Messages:
    3,726
    Likes Received:
    11
    Art is subjective if anything...
     
  19. Mr. Mojo Risin'

    Mr. Mojo Risin' Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,552
    Likes Received:
    8
    Have you heard the original "Lake of Fire" by The Meat Puppets, for example? Sounds like cats getting raped.

    I'm not saying they outdid Bowie on "The Man Who Sold The World", of course although it's a fair version.
     
  20. Kinky Ramona

    Kinky Ramona Back by popular demand!

    Messages:
    20,452
    Likes Received:
    221
    [​IMG]

    Yeah, but those are my boobs the picture is on. Just to clear things up.
     
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice