Roma Gypsies

Thank you, captain obvious..

 

Sorry to hear about your friend, that's just terrible....

Nobody here walks around with hidden pockets or money belts, I don't know how you got that idea, but it is not true.

 

Well you said you find me strange which lead me to think you misunderstand what I said so I thought I explain it more thoroughly

 

In the 90's/early 2000 it was very hip to walk the streets with your wallet chain hanging from your pocket. But yes, the only time I think about watching my pockets is when I'm in Amsterdam or something and I still never got pickpocketed nor my friends, or catched someone doing it in the act. Well I catched someone in the act once at a music festival (pickpocketing a stranger in front of me) but that guy looked more like a hippie. :biker:

 

A gypsy woman pushed me once and wanted to hit me, just for not wanting to buy what she was selling. But then other people got inolved so she just called me a whore haha. And other vulgar stuff.
She hangs out at this bus station and is not easy to avoid. The police do make her leave during tourist season though.

Anyways, all you gypsy defenders, do you have gypsy friends? Schoolmates?

 

You have to understand that they live in a particular way, so they can benefit in a particular way. ie unregistered, scurrying away like rats, so they can steal, cheat, avoid taxes etc. Criminality is a form of religion to them. They are effectively at war with civilised society. Ofcourse not all of them are criminals - some are at home spending the proceeds of crime... which is just as bad.

And furthermore, its the type of crimes they are up to that is so bad.
Gypsies wouldnt let non gypsies into their ranks. They are opportunist, devious and incompatible with civilised cultures. Its our fault for not coming down harder on them.

Recently they just stole a hospital car park in England.Emergency staff had nowhere to park. Were they evicted asap? Fined? Arrested? Were they fuck! Allowed to stay their 2.5 days, no penalty. Otherwise the locals would have battered them to death.

 

What do you think has made them behave this way over the centuries as opposed to other ethnic minorities in Europe?

 

Thanks for link.
UNsurprisingly there are more Romani closer to.............Romani-a.

 

That's fine then is it ?

 

Romani in England are generally known as Romanichals or Romani Gypsies, while their Welsh equivalent are known as Kale.
They have been recorded in the UK since at least the early 16th century. Records of Romani people in Scotland date to the early 16th century.
Some emigrated to the British colonies and to the United States during the centuries.
They may number up to 120,000.

The term "gypsy" in the United Kingdom has come to mean anyone who travels with no fixed abode (regardless of ethnic group).
This use has often been synonymous with "pikey", now considered a derogatory term.

Big Fat Gypsy Weddings is a British documentary series broadcast on Channel 4, that explores the lives and traditions of several Irish Traveller families as they prepare to unite one of their number in marriage.
The series also featured Romanichal (British Gypsies)

Irish Travellers (Irish: an lucht siúil) or Pavee, also called Tinkers or Gypsies (but not to be confused with the Romani people), are a traditionally itinerant people of ethnic Irish origin, who maintain a set of traditions and a distinct ethnic identity.
Although predominantly English speaking, some also use Shelta and other similar cants.
They live mostly in Ireland as well as having large numbers in the United Kingdom and in the United States.
Around 10,000 people in the United States are descendants of Travellers who left Ireland, mostly during the period between 1845 and 1860 during the Great Famine. About 2,500 of them live in Murphy Village, a community outside North Augusta, South Carolina.

This is a list of notable Romany people and people of Romany origin.

Charles Spencer Chaplin – better known as Sir Charlie Chaplin. Actor
Yul Brynner – Actor. Romani on his mother's side.
Adam Ant – (born 1954) British punk/New Wave musician; maternal grandmother is Romanichal.
Robert Plant - (born 1948) British and Romani Musician

I've probably met more Irish travelers than Romani Gypsies...

There has been a little bit of trouble regarding where they (travelers) stay...
I'm sure the perception is they are all : 'Loud, filthy, beggars, thieves, aggressive, primitive, have waaay too many children that they cannot support. And they don't really make their children go to school, even though they should.
They marry young and have more kids (at age 15 or so, sometimes even younger).'

I would imagine most travelers/Gypsies are not like that at all...(no worse than some other Catholics)...

There was a story in my local newspaper regarding a 'furore' over a 'Gypsy Church' ... this amounted to approx ten (out of approx' 120) residents voicing 'concern' over noise and parking.
But reading the article you would believe there was a big backlash because it was a 'Gypsy Church'.
So, sometimes, as with others, there is an undercurrent of bigotry that isn't really there.

I think most people here don't want some travelers basically parking up in their local park and taking the piss (which of a lot of them do)...
I don't think many would differentiate between travelers and Romani people...

I think Romani Gypsies have had a harder time in Eastern Europe than they have had in England...
...and it amounts to a little bit more than being noisy neighbours.
I think in some Eastern European countries they have been shunted into little more than slums, and are treated as if they are vermin, and blamed for all the social and economic issues imaginable.
An 'us and them' mentality.

Life inside the Romanian gypsy ghetto that is so grim the town mayor sealed it off behind a wall
Building a wall around a Roma neighborhood last June earned the local government accusations of racism
Government insist move was 'a step forward towards their civilisation and emancipation'
An estimated 10-12 million Roma live throughout Europe, making them one of the EU's biggest ethnic minorities
A European Commission study showed one in four EU citizens would be uncomfortable with a Roma neighbor
Discontent among Roma community - many of them have now set their sights on the UK next January
Hundreds of thousands are expected to arrive under the European Union’s 'freedom of movement' rules

(notice the 'they are coming over here' syndrome even with a more sympathetic slant to the issue in general)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...to-mayor-built-wall-around.html#ixzz2jWdxfarQ

I don't think it is quite as bad here...

 

I think this is a slight exaggeration.
All I think others feel (and I feel myself) is that you don't add anything to the conversation, or participate in the same way others do.
Other than slapping others on the back... and a patronising for good measure.

I think this is the first time I have heard you directly say:
'I Don't Like Muslims...'

Why, we'll probably never know...

 

they're not.

 

This is the common perception here.

I don't mind foreigners taking up residence in my country, in fact I welcome them and think they add valuable diversity to our society. But if you're going to live in a society, you need to contribute. The gypsies parked around town in their dirty clothes, shaking their cup at you as you pass, contribute only a blemish.

 

American gypsies

 

honestly fuck them. they DO cause crime rates to go up. I know for a fact many roma gypsies in england do REALLY scummy awful things to the communities they live in. I like to think im a pretty open minded person, and to give people chances, but when you treat no one with respect, and not even obey the rules of the country you are living in, simple rules like dont steal and litter, then i have very little time for you.

 

huh nothing like real gypsies

 

I was born and raised to the age of 5 in Northern Ireland, and whenever I saw hippie travellers my granny would call them Gypsies or "Irish Travellers". That was when I first heard the term.

After we moved to Canada I didn't hear of the term really until a few years ago. In North America, or as far as I know... a lot of younger people see it as a lifestyle. A Gypsy to some here is perceived as a adventurous, free spirited individual and some are even drawn by the fashions of the Roma people. They like to wear bohemian necklaces and long flowy clothing, and they always seem to look for new experiences.

When people refer to this specific ethnic group here in Canada and where i'm staying in Texas, they call them "Roma People", not "Gypsies".

I once heard the term Gypsy is equivalent to the "N" word in some European countries... So I like use the word lightly or not at all.

 

I didn't think there was any evidence that there is a disproportionate number of criminals within Gypsy and Traveller communities as opposed to any other community.

 

Another jawdroppingly ridiculous comment...

Metal stealing, pickpocketing, rigged prize fighting, vehicle theft, cons on tourists, illegal debt collecting, refusing to educate their kids, tax evasion, aggravated squatting, public order/vandalising pubs.

Can't say the last time I actually met a traveller/gypsy in a legitimate job of ANY kind.. But quite a number in the illegitimate kind.

Are the above activities decriminalised now? :rollleyes:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGDj0B5WQaA"]Gypsy Child Thieves (BBC Documentary) - YouTube

This is what got me thinking about Roma after I watched it recently. Sadly, it just reconfirmed the perceptions I already had of them.