Roma Gypsies

i had a friend everyone called him gypsy as a knick but he was actually hungarian

 

Could have been a Hungarian Gypsy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z7CuUWo9sg"]Gypsy Caravan: On the Road in Hungary - YouTube


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiEgSgHM8cc"]Hungarian gypsy dance a little differently - YouTube

 

So your knowledge of these people is all hearsay. Now if someone opts to portray you as a thief and pederast I am to assume you chose to be portrayed as such? You have no choice in how someone you don't know opts to portray you do you?

 

No. My knowledge of gypsies involves personal real life observations/experiences of them. And likewise the experiences of close friends of mine.And yes, they DO get involved with kidnapping children when they are employed to settle debts and stuff. As for the "pederasty" you mention, I have no idea whatsoever..

But hey, stand there with your pc ignorance and tell us all that the word "gypsy" is a byword for never thieving or inflicting ills on society.
Problem is, anyone who knows anything about them, knows that would be pretty ridiculous..

Prague, St Petersburg, London, all round England. Spanish tourist areas. All over. Great social contributors in varied occupations?
No. Pickpockets, thieves, squatters, metal thieves, harrassing school kids.
Defruading pensioners. The biggest low lives attached to semi or even fully organised crime.

Belfast had the right idea with em. Sent 150 packing back to Romania. Google it if you want.

Gypsies have the reputation they are actually PROUD to have. Read up on Kalderashi gypsies, they are the best example of it.

Your post is like saying "Al Qaeda get a lot of prejudice"...

 

I notice you keep referring to a generalized 'reputation' not actual examples of your personal experiences. We have had a Roma family as part of the community in the Haight Ashbury for decades now with no serious problems.

 

Well my personal experiences match the reputation. When you hear people openly boasting about ripping off pensioners and stuff, or talking about taking someone's kids to leverage a debt collection, I think its fair to say that you are dealing with lowlife. I don't really want to post full details.

I've never spoken had any experience of American gypsies. I think in America, its easy to live off the land in many places. In Europe, this is not really possible unless you just steal/buy from a farmer or whatever. Land is already allocated and owned/managed.

But how well do you know these SF ones? Do you know what their source of income is? (I've literally never come across one that lives as a gypsy, and has a legitimate occupation - I don't count fairground families as gypsies, because they have a legitimate source of income). Are they connected with crime locally? Would you know? This is the sort of thing I mean.

 

I'm curious if any Americans have ever attempted the style of bank machine theft that the Roma teenagers usually use. Seems to me, that would get you freakn' shot in America.

 

my grandmother used to say the gypsies are gonna come and take me, she never said they would sell me though. until i was on the internet for a while i had no idea what the gypsies were with the exception that i always pictured the women wearing a babushka and only being old. until just a few years ago there were no young gypsies in my mind. never came across one that i know of irl

 

Yes I know what their source of income is and it's legitimate. So are you actually saying that if they have a legitimate income this changes their race and family? "Are they connected with crime locally?" Do you mean do they smoke pot? No more so than average in a city that's voted three times by a 2/3 majority to leagalize pot. Yes I was for years in a position to know.

 

Is this it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aGnFvDTVlM"]Romanians Flee Homes After Racist Attacks In Lisburn Road Area Of Belfast | UK News | Sky News - YouTube

http://www.eutimes.net/2009/07/belfast-gypsies-warned-get-out-by-tomorrow-or-you-die/

 

Holy misquote! How does that even happen?

 

Yes and my name is Ayatollah Khomeini...

That would make them completely UNLIKE all the gypsies in Europe. Certainly all the ones I've ever come across. BTW are you a gypsy? You certainly seem to be contradicting pretty much anyone on HF who's ever posted about gypsies. So in fairness, I prefer not to believe your unique character reference for them. Have you audited their "scrap metal business" accounts btw? (I assume not).

Finally, by criminals I don't mean smoking weed. I mean the type of crimes I've listed earlier.

And again, being a European gypsy/"traveller" is a lifestyle not an ethnic group today. No one has a problem with the guy from the Rolling Stones because he's supposedly part gypsies. What people have a problem with is cowardly scum that rob and harrass decent members of society, then run away to nowhere in their caravans.

One thing I did admire about gypsies was their folk medicine. Which has basically died out. Because they decided begging, robbing and the like was more fun..

 

Well thats a pretty sick headline for the comedians at the BBC.

Belfast people were at their wits end, after the gypsies kept robbing them, and causing hassle. The cops generally let gypsies get away with blue murder (they choose to let them have a free rein).

So dozens of locals appeared outside the taxpayer funded houses and said "fuck off home, or we burn your houses down, we didnt fight terrorism to wind up with terrorists from Romania". These weren't "Combat 18", but a protest of normal Belfasters who were being harrassed out of their own area. The protests involved many men, women, children, even elderly.

Which BTW is actually the way gypsies handle disputes in the 1st instance, not as a last resort.

And the gypsies went home.

The race crimes by the way were from the gypsies.

 

IamnotaMan

I'm not quite sure where you are getting that it was a headline from the BBC, but anyway...

Perhaps you could provide an article or an e.g of these particular families (etc) harassing, racially abusing and robbing the local people of Belfast.
Or did the Irish media cover all of this up (along with the police)?

I vaguely remember the story but not the specifics.

I will look for myself, now that I know this is the group you are referring to.

Out of the 150 (or so), would you have any idea how many of them were robbing and causing hassle (and not just by being their in 'taxpayer funded houses')?

Edit: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/21/race-northern-ireland-romanian-gypsies

Combat 18's message, broadcast by text and email all over Northern Ireland last week, was hate-filled and menacing:

"Romanian gypsies beware beware

"Loyalist C18 are coming to beat you like a baiting bear

"Stay out of South Belfast and stay out of sight

"And then youse will be alright

"Get the boat and don't come back

"There is no black in the Union Jack

"Loyalist C18 'whatever it takes'."

The rhyming racist warning has been picked up on mobile phones and computers across loyalist areas of the north of Ireland since the start of last week when the province hit the world headlines again for all the wrong reasons.

This weekend 110 Romanians, including many small children, some as young as six weeks, are under armed police guard at a secret location in Belfast. Seven days ago the 20 families were driven out of several properties on the edge of the city's university district, victims of a racist gang which repeatedly attacked their homes over a number of days. Many of the immigrants, almost all exclusively from the Roma community, have said they want to return home rather than stay in a city being branded as the racist capital of Europe.

 

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Yes, I can see now, it is a Sky link you put up.

One of the sources I recall was actually BBC TV news. Their slant was very different to some of the sources.

The locals were basically saying to the cops "you do fuck all, we will have to deal with it". So I think the Belfast cops were trying to damp it down saying "ahhh the problems from the Roma were exagerrated" ie bullshitting about their own lack of effectiveness.

The British cops are quite open, for instance about gypsies in London. They say "as soon as we get shot of em, they come back into the country". This is why Britain went for a special block on high numbers of Romanians/Bulgarians coming in. Because it would be huge numbers of their gypsies.

 

IamnotaMan

I'd be interested to read the particular BBC article in question, if you find it...
I'll look around, too.

I'm still unaware of any stories about the group (or individuals) harassing, racially abusing and robbing the local people.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...Ag#v=onepage&q=Lisburn Road gypsy BBC&f=false

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8114234.stm

A cursory read of a few articles seem to point to young kids/younger adults harassing them (Roma) - in the usual rather uneducated and haphazard manner.

 

Just found something. Apparently the gypsies were in a loyalist area, so the Catholic side were trying to blame the locals. The locals blamed the cops and the gypsies. The cops were denying they'd lost a grip of it.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=RyMhW9MBdGYC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

pg178-9 talk about crime allegations (this is a pro gypsy book btw)

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ian-gipsies-Ulster-ask-whos-REALLY-blame.html

Crime wave after the gypsies arrived, confirmed by cops.
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The best article was BBC TV tho. I'm not sure what they archive.

 

"Racist Eurotrash"?
I am referring to Euro-gypsies. Not Ameri-dogshit... Altho evidently some Stateside are exactly the same...

Rolling Stones are murderers? Must've been the gypsy one who set the tone then...

Now go back to selling pots and pans..

 

I can't find that page...

I didn't read anything about a 'crime wave' or the majority of Roma being part of any crimes...

Just the usual: well, some, so they all must...

The real 'issue' it seems, not crime...

The articles are worth a read, though. They don't seem to be as biased as you have been (even the Daily Mail)...