Ron Pauls view on Drugs

Discussion in 'Opiates' started by JahRed24, Jan 8, 2008.

  1. zenloki

    zenloki Member

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    sheer that wasn't nostalgia you read. if our nation can take care of itself 100 years ago, before federal income taxes and loads of entitlement programs then we can do it now. back then people relied on charities, churches and everyday folks for a little help when they needed it.
    i'm not looking out just for myself in trying to get Ron Paul into office either but if we don't do something to reduce the size of our federal government and get off the gov't tit we're going to have even bigger problems down the road. if you want socialized everything, gov't is going to be involved and it's an incredibly inefficient way to do things in the first place. second it's a great way to give the gov't access to whatever they want to know about you. the more you concentrate power in the hands of a central gov't, the easier it is for your rights to be taken away and that's exactly what we have today. there's only one party anymore and it's the money party. it doesn't work for us. it works for the corporations. entitlement programs for them far outweigh what the citizens receive and it has got to stop. entitlements are not just going to suddenly disappear. it's going to take years but it can be done. as a nation i think we'd be better off getting off this. put responsibility back in the hands of the people and this doesn't mean there won't be NGO charities out there to help people out. hell there's tons of them now providing a variety of services.
    Ron Paul is the only candidate speaking out against these excesses that are hurting us all. he's not a perfect candidate but i'd much rather have someone in that office that is willing to tell me what i need to know than someone willing to say whatever is needed to get elected.
    polymer in the beginning the repubs were for minimal gov't and so little influence over our lives. this is a libertarian and conservative agenda but they sure don't follow that now as we all know.
    for the record i don't want drilling in the tundra or on the continental shelves. both of those are disasters waiting to happen but that's a battle for another day.
     
  2. sheerwackiness

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    'if our nation can take care of itself 100 years ago, before federal income taxes and loads of entitlement programs then we can do it now.' Can you describe how this proces would proceed, starting with those most at risk?

    Once drilling is approved and land is destroyed, who is going to fund the cleanups? Corporations will not, and they'll have no legal obligation to do so. Enter the Superfund, which would be presumably defunded by a Ron Paul administration. I appreciate your responses and insight as well as others here. Thanks, SW
     
  3. polymer

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    those were the democratic republicans, which are now the democrats.

    drilling ANYWHERE new is inexcusable. hydrocarbon combustion engines are early 20th Century technology...we're beyond the industrial age.

    the japanese have hydrogen-fuel technology now. the brazilians have been using E85 since 1975. there's no excuse for "the greatest country on earth" to be behind the times. conservativism is tippy-toe politics, maladaptive, and downright degenerative.
    p.s. this plundering of the earth needs to stop very soon.

    SW, I wish I had an answer for you.. both are moderate, and I don't see cataclismic change with either.as you can tell, I'm about as fed-up as you are. we need a candidate that will seriously motivate our country to be really environmentally conscious, rather than gluttonous and apathetic. I've felt this way since 1994, and have been let down by every president, especially Bush.
    rather than focusing our manufacturing resources/funds on military industries as we traditionally have, we should be focusing it on clean energy, biotechnology research, and waste management.
     
  4. polecat

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    Sorry, but it's too late to end the drilling in Alaska. Peak Oil will make sure of that. The oil prices will rise and eventually the price of that oil will override the desire to save the wilderness. And even with new technologies there will always be a market for gasoline. Because gasoline powered cars aren't going to make the regular cars disappear. And people are still going to want to drive the classics, just like they do now. Oil will become a high priced luxury item.

    And I'm still going to vote for Ron Paul. Yeah, his environmental policies are sorta shaky, but hear me out. Ron Paul isn't technically a libertarian. He may believe in libertarian ideas, but he won't restore true laizze-faire(sp) economics, because the American voters wouldn't go for it, and his Congress wouldn't go for it. He would also have to work through Congress (which doesn't seem to be libertarian).

    But electing an outsider is still a good idea. By voting for Paul, I'm really just showing my disgust at a two party system which allows the debt to go so high (9 trillion w/ interest?), and allows us to get into these stupid wars. The system has gotten bad, and I want to cast my vote for the one candidate who really is an outsider in the political arena.

    edit - I am just speculating about the oil = luxury thing, but it seems like a sound theory. I should invest in oil ;)
     
  5. polymer

    polymer Senior Member

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    you should invest in an oil lamp, that's how outdated the technology is.

    vote for a republican candidate, if you enjoy being maladaptive and content with our current energy situation, or you're an investor in a major corporation (corporations are the only ones who get real tax-cuts). vote independent (there are several different independent political parties) if you actually think.
    and even if you're going to stick with the bipartisan system, remember this: the lesser of two evils (democrats) are always going to be more progressive than the republicans, always have been.

    progressive >>> conservative

    and when off the record, I seriously doubt Ron Paul gives a crap about you, or any other commoner.
     
  6. polecat

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    i know what you mean, but I have yet to see ANY progress from our Democratic Congress. I mean they granted diplomatic immunity to the fucking telecommunications company for giving out private information to the government. Come on, these days I really don't see a difference, they're all working towards the same ends.
     
  7. polymer

    polymer Senior Member

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    pretty much. like I said, corporate republic.

    Capitalism is no longer just an economic system in america, it's a way of life and the means of governing it. it's the only religion that matters in the US. "In god we trust".
     

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