salvation

Come on baby wont you show me what you got
I want your salvation

Theres a neighborhood called blackhawk
Where all the rich people hide
I was down on my luck working for the salvation army
The shelter is where I reside
Everyday we drive into blackhawk
And we pick up the offerings
Microwave, refrigerator for the suffering

Come on baby wont you show me what you got
I want your salvation

I cant believe these people live like kings
Hidden estates and diamond rings
Im a rat out on a mission
Im in your front yard under suspicion

Come on baby wont you show me what you got
I want your salvation

 

Love Love Brother Loves Travellin Salvation Show!

 

It really comes down to how we see every moment. We categorize, filter, and try and define everything that happens instead of just experiencing it and growing from it. I don't know if it's even possible to truly accept things without having some bias towards it. An event is just an event, yet we think about it in terms of good, bad, pointless, interesting, so on, and how it affects us.
You say we suffer because of desires. When we yearn for something we don't have, not having it can lead us to suffering. It's impossible not to desire something, so to want something but accepting yourself without it seems like the best way to ease suffering. We assume the outcomes of our desires will enhance our quality of life, but we can't know whether they do until we have them. Accepting yourself and everything that happens and believing that its the best thing for you at that moment should combat suffering. At least that's how I would try and rid myself of what I know to be suffering. It's hard to generalize these things when I only know of my own suffering.

 

Did you ever get around to eating those mushrooms friend? Never heard back from ya on that but from the looks of this post lol ...
Science can not prove anything about why existence came from nothing, they only think they are getting within a few years of proving how. Why is much more important that how in the end.
Particle physics can not recreate the Big Bang, they can only make a contained isolated likeness less than a blink after it happened. That is not the Big Bang, and therefor that is not actual proof.
Not only can science not prove why things came to be, it cant prove how everything works either. The most sophisticated quantam mechanic theories only make sense when applied to single particles, they unified theory is something I believe will never come about. We only know how particles (or rather, think we are about to know) gain mass, but we cant explain how trillions of atoms come together to form a peice of your body, a tomato, a butterfly, a blade of grass, a tree, etc. We have no idea what is breathing life into this program.
If you ask me, Id say on the contrary, science is getting closer to proving some very profound shit, and God is very elusive when you try to use your mind to confront God. Whatever God is, besides everything, is something that, like Joker says, can not be explained, only experienced. Science so far has only taken turns blowing minds of people who dont even know what direction they are taking, they think by digging deeper they will solve problems. The problem of suffering is something that is required, Mother Nature is both reward and repremandation. If life wasnt meant to be painful in order to teach, what would be the point?
Salvation, to me, is being liberated from your own beliefs. Forcing yourself to doubt everything you ever knew, having the clean fresh slate for a mind, which absorbs every detail with reverence to reality is true bliss. The minute you think you have anything figured out, you give up learning. The happyest people I've ever met are elderly people who take as much interest in what a child has to say as the child does to them.
God Bless +

 

Lol I went a little light this time :tongue:
But you know I'll go at it if someone invites me

 

agreed.


The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.

 

Chapter 1, am I right?
The Tao is my favorite approach to existence, simply because of this first poem. I use to word God very frequently, but only because it is the most understood word in my local dialect. But whatever God is when you get trascendental, is a mind fuck and a half.
I know that God exists, yet I dont know. I know there is soul progression after physical death, yet I dont know that either. I accept both as reality, because like the measurement problem with atoms, these are just probabilities that have no defined answer yet. We can borrow from the future and bring it to the now, but it will self destruct. The best thing to do for me, is just to feel it out as I move along the path.
I gave up on yoga, I still meditate here and there. I see life collectively as something so amazing, that it is very frightening at times when you embrace existence and try to wrap your awareness around cosmic consciousness. Whatever made everything come to be, has some seriously insane things to unfold. I think we will all experience being overwhelmed with truth when we are ready to handle it in some form or other, but then again we might also die in the dirt. Maybe we are just stepping stones on the path of evolution, preparing our species to branch out into the eternal with advanced consciousness? Who the fuck knows

 

This thread is getting pretty far out, which is great. I just can't really latch on to any of these ideas because I haven't seen enough evidence to infer that they're true. I guess that's where Occam's razor comes in. I also suppose my extreme skepticism makes me conservative in that regard. I think reality is a whole lot less....fantastic (for lack of a better word) than that. We're here, we're not sure why...more likely that not things just turned out that way. I don't think there's any vast consciousness (or something that transcends consciousness) guiding us, or even watching us indifferently. I think the right combination of molecules happened to accumulate under the correct circumstances on a very hot rock in some random corner of some random galaxy and a few hundred million years later...voila, here we are. The primates with brains complex enough to tackle most ontological questions, but not stable enough to accept the answers when they aren't what we were hoping for.

 

it was expressed to me in the following way:

at the top of the mountain there is (God, the Divine, whatever)
there are many paths to the top
some attempt to go straight up the mountain
some take a switchback path
and some go around and up a spiraling path.
there is no path that is greater, because the goal is the same.

i do not seek salvation. i think the only real salvation is death, it saves you from continued human existence. i rather enjoy my human existence.

 

But what is consciousness then? Even if it is something as basic as neural chemistry, how does something like that pop into existence through molecular disposition? That is why reality is fantastic, because we will never know why.

 

Then that in itself is salvation
Your already free, death has nothing to do with it!

 

There is no why. Abiogenesis is far from the consensus, I know, but it seems the most plausible explanation to me. I suppose at some point it was necessary for neural chemistry to pop into existence, but whatever form it had then was exponentially less complex than the one we have, that took millions of years to appear.

 

Could well be how it is.
However, it's just that when you see that everything is a reflection of something both macrocosmic and microcosmic, things start to appear to be much more fantastic than dismissive. If solar systems reflect atoms, then who is to say awareness doesnt reflect creation? I mean our minds create reality for us, when we dream we create universes of thought matter in a split second. That, to me, is a reflection of our roots.
I could very well be wrong, but I think if everything at it's fundamental level is exactly the same, then whatever exists has it's mirror reflection.
To sum it up, I think that without the 'why', there would be no awareness.

 

indeed, i feel proud. i brought a seriously mind-tackling issue not everyone agrees with to a forum of, whether you like to admit it or not, conservative skeptics and got 6 pages of serious, in depth inquiry and discussion.

rejoice stoners lounge, rejoice!

 

rejoice!! wooo, we have grown as humans

 

we should all eat delicious sandwiches in celebration.

 

I would like a celebratory sandwich.
Actually. I just ate a sandwich. So nevermind.

But I view salvation as whatever breaks you away from evil, desires, anything harmful, or "sinful". And as a person who has suffered with an eating disorder and drug problems, I want to say that "salvation is will power", but as a person who has taken that philosophy to the far end of the spectrum, resulting in unhealthy behaviors that throw you back into the painful cycle, I don't believe that is true anymore. I believe salvation is attainable in life and also death, in my opinion, is not salvation. I think it takes many many many lives of failure, trial, success, to reach a level where we are liberated from earthly concerns. I don't know, this topic got my gears a turnin', I'll have to write something more concise and meaningful whenever I sift through my own thoughts and beliefs.