Sandy Hoax And The Boston Bombings

Discussion in 'Conspiracy' started by Pressed_Rat, Sep 29, 2014.

  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    The opposite would be:
     
  2. storch

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    Your words: . . . bias, motivated primarily by the earnest fervor and outrage that typically dominates a conspiracy theorist's life.

    When I said I've seen the opposite occur, I was referring to that statement. I thought I made that clear with this:

    "Someone hears what they believe to be just another conspiracy theory, and they start the ad-hom attacks and emotional outbursts. No discipline . . ."

    I was comparing the "earnest fervor and outrage" that you attribute to conspiracy theorists, with the ad-hom attacks and emotional outbursts of those responding to them.
     
  3. ginalee14

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    That would be something like this:


    To trust, by default, an official report from a governmental state agency is not always the wise thing to do. But of course, the entire report cannot be dismissed out of hand either.
     
  4. MeAgain

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    (They are not my words, check the reference).

    Okay, but we must take care to discern the differences in various conspiracy theories and those that espouse them.

    To be certain there have been, and I am sure currently are, conspiracies. Further, there are, and have been in the past, valid conspiracy theories, that is, there are theories of conspiracies that can be backed up by reasonable claims and facts. The claims made by the theory can be, and are checked out to some degree, they are not self contradictory, they are open to revision, denial, or verification. They conform to current knowledge of the mechanics of the world and its social structure. They don't solely rely on the total suppression of facts to the general public by some sort of mysterious entity (them, the Illuminati, aliens, etc.), nor do they require the majority of the public to be "sheeple". They don't blame the messenger (the media) without bullet proof evidence. If facts are suppressed or the public is misinformed, sound theories offer valid reasons as to how and why, by whom specifically and for what reason. Ad hominen attacks on skeptics are not used, i.e. "sheeple".

    In contrast, my quote referenced the "die hard conspiracy buff", not the advocate of one reasonable, sound, conspiracy theory.

    What you are referring to as an "ad-hom" attack, can occur to the advocate of a sound or unsound conspiracy theory, to be sure.
    However, to point out errors in the thinking process or facts that are presented in in relation to any theory is not an ad hominen attack.

    Additionally, pointing out that certain individuals consistently blame the government or other organizations for a wide variety of tragedies reported by the media and attributing that individual's accusations to known physiological mind sets is not necessarily an ad hominen attack. Especially if no one individual is named.
     
  5. thedope

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    Worst editing job I think you've done for me. I didn't say anyone should be anything and much less because I am. It is a fact that sandy hook shooting does not materially affect him and that the mind is naturally abstract and prone to abstraction. I pose the question what information does suspicion impart?
     
  6. thedope

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    Pretty much is pretty much vague as is every detail of suspicion. Are you suggesting lanza is a terrorist? How can you call killing children a false flag operation? I think that disregards the living confusion that was being lanza for the sake of your theory. To what do you attribute the minor terrorists attacks and what is the threshold between major and minor attacks?

    Consider if there is anything sinister going on it is in the type of sensational news coverage being promulgated for the sake of market share which preys on the public's basest reactions.
    Admittedly this phenomena can be and is manipulated. I know people living far from any coastline whose world view is in lock step with fox news. Such content is not edited for reliability but for marketability. It is your ability to make a protein shake in your blender that you should be suspicious of in life. For whatever reason you may not always have a blender.
     
  7. storch

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    Well, let's see. You inject the quote with no commentary attached. I don't know what made me think that what you made reference to is something you agree with. Additionally, count the ridiculing posts from others directed at Pressed Rat. Since the title of the thread is not "The Psychology Behind Those Who Believe What I Don't," what was your point, if not to pile on?
     
  8. storch

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    There is not one thing that happens in this world that does not affect the whole. The ripple effect would be highly instructive in this case. If it is someone's objective to try to change the status quo, it begins with speaking what they know. You will call that the propagation of suspicion. You see a problem where there is only someone telling you what they think, and then you telling them what you think about that.
     
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    if we could please see pictures of the lanza kids brains blown out all over the place. O would be happy with that. Im not totally buying the con-piracy .. but Im not really buying that creepy computer generated image of that lanza kid either. why are they hiding that from the world/?? like hiding another obl..
     
  10. MeAgain

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    Oh, I do agree with the quote, I just wanted to clarify that they weren't my words.

    My point is that sometimes a die hard conspiracy buff will claim that a tragedy is fabricated by or the fault of the government, or other agents.
    Further this is often done as a form of confirmation bias, motivated primarily by the earnest fervor and outrage that typically dominates a die hard conspiracy theorist's life.

    I am not attempting to belittle or ridicule anyone. I never mentioned anyone by name but made a blanket observation through the quote I posted.

    If anyone thinks that I have insulted them by posting the quote, and that I have singled them out, prove me wrong about die hard conspiracy buffs.
    Post some proof that Sandy Hook was fabricated. Show me the logistics perhaps....emails, paychecks, documents, sworn testimony, witnesses to the planing, computer files, etc. A fabrication would have to have involved many people and resources...show me the money trail, the planing stages, admitted perpetrators, give me something besides accusations that someone was an actor without one iota of data to back it up.

    Why should I believe you over CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, FOX, AP, BBC, NYT, Reuters, etc., etc.?
    If they are all in on the con, there must be some small shred of hard evidence somewhere. Back up your claims with evidence.
    If they are not all in on the con why haven't they shown it to be faked?
     
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  11. storch

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    I stand by my observation that Robbie Parker is quite clearly seen getting into character for the camera. Why he would need to get into character after his daughter had been shot to death the day before is a mystery to me.
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    PR: To me, there is more than ample evidence to prove the entire thing was a staged event.
    Poster: In your world doesn't this cover everything that happens, everywhere?

    PR: There isn't a single major terrorist attack that has happened in the last 20+ years that has not coincided with a drill, be it Oklahoma City, 9/11, 7/7, Sandy Hook, or the Boston Marathon bombings. Yes, all have false flag written all over them. The evidence speaks for itself.
    Poster: They're out to get ya man.... Watch out.

    PR: I'd rather be slightly paranoid than completely complacent like most of the population.
    Poster: Slightly?

    Another poster: Have you ever considered seeking professional help?
    _______________________________________________________________________

    This is the ridicule I am speaking of. Your follow-up posting of someone psychologically profiling conspiracy theorists was you piling on.

    But anyway, who was the man wearing camouflage pants and a black jacket being led out of the woods in handcuffs by police after the shooting?
     
  12. thedope

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    If everything happens holistically then there are no single or separate events that we can point to as cause only a bunch of arbitrary details we select for the purpose of making conversation. Track the ripple effect for me here would you? What is sponsoring what? If someone is trying to change the status quo they do something different. If people want to discuss things they do that. Who has said, "what they know?" I see a problem with logical progression or quality of apprehension being mucked up by the impressionistic substituting as statistical verity and then suggesting everyone is a government shill if we choose to be more circumspect than that.

    Are you going to keep characterizing my statements or is someone going to answer the questions I asked?

    When does a terrorist act qualify as major?

    How do you account for minor terrorist incidents? Where is the coincidental evidence of governmental exercise for those?

    How can you call killing kids a false flag operation? What is false about dead kids?

    My take on all this is these things do not represent some grand nefarious intent but are naturally probable expressions, everything being as you say connected.
     
  13. thedope

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    the mystery is in the kids head but seeing it turned inside out won't expose it, self reflection might
     
  14. storch

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    If I tell you that your government takes your money and uses it to murder hundreds of thousands of people in other countries, and to destroy their homes in order to protect their long-running petrodollar scheme, I assume that you still maintain your plan to pay your taxes to keep them off your back. Concerning the backs of those in other countries, your philosophy of self-interest is useless. Your govermnent is making war to uphold a money scheme, without which, financial collapse will occur. You appear to be hiding behind the idea that saying is not doing. You are breaking up a process, and then arbitrarily claiming that part of the process isn't necessary.

    You ask when a terrorist act qualifies as major? I would suggest to you that assigning degrees to various terrorist acts is an attempt to change the cause by judging the effects. Terror is terror; cut it in half, and it's still terror. Are you lost? Half lost? Or, are you very lost?
     
  15. thedope

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    I didn't assign the degree rat did. He suggested every major attack coincided with some government exercise and it is this statement of coincidence that contributes to the perception that the government is involved in all attacks. The only thing I am disrupting is confusion.
     
  16. MeAgain

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    You tell me.
     
  17. relaxxx

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    Chris Manfredonia, he was trying to get to his 6 year old daughter after he heard the gunshots.
     
  18. themnax

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    sometimes its the deniers who are the hoaxers. more often then not, actually.

    conspiracy doesn't automatically mean government either. more often it is simply the greed of corporate economic interests.
     
  19. tikoo

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    the wizard with the magic trick expects you to believe in the obvious and reasonable and
    then , next , shazam , to be obsessed with the most irrational of imposiblilities .
     
  20. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Turns out that is bullshit, though. Even if you are gullible enough to believe that shit, why was this person wearing camouflage and running away from the school?

    See, this is an example of how people just believe whatever they're told, despite any discrepancies that would appear to refute the official story (or at the very least make it hard to believe).

    Anyway, it turns out this footage was actually shot hours after the alleged massacre even occurred.
     

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