Santa Claus

One of the Bible's most important principals:

Thou shalt not [kill/murder].

In my opinion, that does not leave any room for interpretation. Killing in a justified war is still killing, and it's still murder because it's intentional. Too often people say "two wrongs don't make it right." (Though I personally don't particularly agree with that statement.)

Jesus gave the example that one should NEVER fight, EVER. He turned the other cheek, in all situations. The Bible was written by man, but if Jesus was truly divinely inspired, and he gave the message that you should never kill or even fight back for that matter, then the Bible is just wrong in portraying the correct message.

 

exactly, and that's my point. what the fuck is a "just" war, and how hypocritical is that?!

 

High ideals from that chap named christ..and we shall never realy know his true opinions..as you say it ws written by man (and woman) carefuly thought about for a few decades and presented in a form that covered a great deal of morale questions.. It does not realy matter if he ultimatly preached truisms .. the fact is in his name and because of his teachings 'man' has killed.. Is it the old or new testemant that gave responsibility for our actions to ourselves ?.. well.

Your own morality holds little sway in the great interpretations of the bible unfortunatly (neither do mine).. In the bible it says (cutting a long parable short) man and man should not shag..well how does that sit with a loving and and none judgemental person , were is his love for people unlike himself.. ofcourse the word of god and what jesus did has been highly romanticised and altered over the years.. One thing i have to give him he certainly proved a huge influence in the world..I wonder who will be next (as we get tired of the paradoxical roundabouts the bible brings up).

when christians kill they often say .. when i come to gods kingdom he will judge me and ultimatly forgive me for my 'sins' ..how conveniant is that get out clause.

 

I agree.

And, also to add to this, somewhere in the bible it also states "eye for an eye"...which is contradicting to the fact that they say killing is wrong, and that revenge is wrong..etc...

I can't explain this anymore, I'm just rambling and my explanations are horrible.

 

The thing is imho all of 'mans' (sorry i keep using man , slightly biased the bible was right ) needs a answer and a 'excuse' to that question

How can i kill ..well you can kill because and i will forgive you (because i can).. go forth an do as you friggin well want , the bible will have a solution for all the quandries that you have. If we happen to (in the past i admit) get rich for forgiving your sins well thats just a bonus.

 

Not as much as me.. Better than mine..

 

EXACTLY...[when christians kill they often say .. when i come to gods kingdom he will judge me and ultimatly forgive me for my 'sins' ..how conveniant is that get out clause] ...which is another puzzling thought: christians have this set of rules, they determine what a "sin" is... but at the same time, state that all will be forgiven.

So who exactly is welcomed into "god's kingdom" and who isn't if all is forgiven ANYWAY? it makes absolutely no COMMON sense to me.

 

Here is the great thing..do what ever you like.. then denonce any 'sins' and your slate is clean..plus you get the opportunity to come back and have another life.. amazing the deals that chap does

 

Good point...I guess the point of what I stated is... if there is an exception to everything, just how you put it, then what is the real point of saying any of this is wrong? I suppose that's a stupid question to ask on my part, considering none of what this christian belief is really makes any sense anyway....

 

lmao, i love it. it's like, "let's negotiate"

 

I read something today



But it's full of paradox, isn't it? Because, of course, every witness to an event tells a different story. Well, it helps to remember where you're seeing things from. In the words of my favourite quotation about storytelling, the basic question is :where do you put the camera? Where do you put the camera; where are you seeing it from? Now, it's possible to describe my own beliefs, for example, as being both atheist and agnostic, depending on where I put the camera. If I look at the total amount of things I know, and compare it with the things I don't know, the things I know constitute the tiniest possible, remote little speck of light in the middle of a great, vast encircling darkness; which is everything I don't know. And in all the things I don't know, there may be a God. There may be a God out there, but I don't know. However, when you move the camera, when you come in a bit and get closer to this little speck of light, it gets bigger and bigger, and finally spreads out beyond the edges of the vision and fills everything you can see. Here, I can see no evidence whatever for God. So on this level, I'm an atheist; further out, I'm an agnostic; depends on where you're standing.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1486995,00.html

My ego has to say i have to still not 'believe' though...and agree with you it all makes little sense to me as well.

 

this is true.
and I agree... though going with "where do you put the camera" ... it's hard to move your focus anywhere else if you have a natural belief that holds you back from understanding another point of view...if that makes any sense.

for instance, a christian could come up to me and explain everything in the world that seems to make sense to them, and make good points at that, though I'll never understand ...I'll never understand HOW they can see from this angle when what's inside of me is seeing things at completely different angle. I try to be open minded, and "re-focus" a bit to understand a bit better, but it's a difficult thing to do when your beliefs are already well set in. Make a bit of sense?

 

Is that in in your humble opinion ?

Well i agree with what your saying either way. Does it make us closed minded (a bit) or 'stubborn' ?... I gues not because everyone does it, right ?.

I have 're-focused' and but my 'camera' in other positions but it is just for me and my 'journey'.. (*checks for more words from spirituality 101* ).. i am just personaly making my mind up about certain things all the time.. not quite making it up as i go along but i suppose just challenging myself from time too time.

 

All humans are close minded or stubborn to a certain extent, but it's not always a bad thing. It depends on how the person handles it, I think. If they can grin and bare it when someone states an opinion that is completely off from what they believe in.. that's great. On the other hand, some people can get a bit out of hand with personally, verbally attacking anyone who doesn't concur with their personal beliefs, and in that case I think that's when a person is TRULY close minded...and yes, that just imho.

what you're describing about re-focusing your camera...I suppose I've done that, though, clearly now I have discovered what I truly believe in and stand by. It sure did take quite a "journey" getting here, to understand what I really am, and believe in. But, I'm quite confident in the aspect that I think I've got myself [pertaining to this subject] figured out...maybe I'm wrong, maybe this is only the beginning?

 

Come and feel the power of the church

 

*snickers*

i love the sarcasm in your post.

 

myths are the great delusional systems with which most of us live by. they can be used and abused as history and religion is full of examples. their language is more dear to us than what we normally encounter in our daily existence and thereby more keenly felt. At some point though, they remain delusional and if we are to go beyond them then we must recognize their limits. The santa claus myth may have been from an older story about siberian mushroom eaters. Also, some believe that Christ was a mushroom

 

Mati

Cool,,,
And occam is a peyote button.


Occam

 

Apples+Oranjes

Yes...Truely..
Those pictures paint a billion words.

There is a rumour you know..
About the Vatican and the fledgling German NSDAP
[Nazi party] in the 20's.
A 'financial pact'

Occam

PS. Also nice pic of the waffen ss officer in the command hanomag.
Guy looks like micheal york.:sunglasse

 

Those are unfouded rumors