Satans great trick

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  1. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    In the movie, it seemed almost like Kaiser Sozay was a metaphor for Satan.

    No, God doesn't do it?
     
  2. Hoatzin

    Hoatzin Senior Member

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    The thing about the devil is from The Usual Suspects, although I'd be very surprised if no-one had said something similar before - that usually turns out to be the case.

    The one in my sig is from September by Woody Allen.
     
  3. Hoatzin

    Hoatzin Senior Member

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    Only in the sense that Satan = bad stuff happening.

    I thought that was the standard explanation for all the dinosaur bones, geology and so forth, that it was God "testing" you by making it look like the events of the Bible don't hold water (even though they must do).
     
  4. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    This line was written by the famous French poet Baudelaire in a short story about meeting the Devil.
    The story is called "Le Joueur généreux" and was published Feb. 7, 1864.
    The actual line:
    «Mes chers frères, n'oubliez jamais, quand vous entendrez vanter le progrès des lumières, que la plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous persuader qu'il n'existe pas!»
    or In English:
    "My dear brothers, never forget, when you hear the progress of enlightenment vaunted, that the devil's best trick is to persuade you that he doesn't exist!"

    Source(s):

    http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node…
     
  5. Hoatzin

    Hoatzin Senior Member

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    I knew it. Anything deep from a cool movie is always nicked from something at least 100 years older. No exceptions.
     
  6. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    Interesting, ty.

    Thanks.
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

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    I don't know who "standard" is but that's not God's explanation for these things. ;)
     
  8. Hoatzin

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    I know it's not your explanation and that you think your explanation is God's also, but since the Bible predates carbon dating (for example), I don't think you can claim to have any definitive insight into "God's explanation".
     
  9. OlderWaterBrother

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    Who put the burr under your saddle?

    I can claim to have anything I want to and I can think anything I want to and you also know that many times I've said and there's one more time, what I believe, what I think and what I claim are exactly that, what I believe, what I think and what I claim and I believe them to be true but everyone else is free to decide for themselves whether it's true or not.

    Trying to imply anything different is disingenuous on your part. :D
     
  10. Hoatzin

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    How you love to talk.
     
  11. OlderWaterBrother

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    Thanks, again disingenuous on your part but thanks anyway. ;)
     
  12. def zeppelin

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    God warrior! ! !
     
  13. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    God didnt place dinosuar bones on earth to "test" our faith.
     
  14. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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  15. Gargoyles and psychics. :)
     
  16. DonaSoledad

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    That's very true..

    that disguise works very well
    he has definitely blinded the minds of the unbelievers
     
  17. jammin1000

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    Someone asked what was Satan's Manifesto? Well it was actually the Lucifer Manifesto because Lucifer was Satan's superior. Here are the major points:

    1. The reality of the Universal Father. Lucifer charged that the Universal Father did not really exist, that physical gravity and space-energy were inherent in the universe, and that the Father was a myth invented by the Paradise Sons to enable them to maintain the rule of the universes in the Father's name. He denied that personality was a gift of the Universal Father. He even intimated that the finaliters were in collusion with the Paradise Sons to foist fraud upon all creation since they never brought back a very clear-cut idea of the Father's actual personality as it is discernible on Paradise. He traded on reverence as ignorance. The charge was sweeping, terrible, and blasphemous. It was this veiled attack upon the finaliters that no doubt influenced the ascendant citizens then on Jerusem to stand firm and remain steadfast in resistance to all the rebel's proposals.

    2. The universe government of the Creator Son--Michael. Lucifer contended that the local systems should be autonomous. He protested against the right of Michael, the Creator Son, to assume sovereignty of Nebadon in the name of a hypothetical Paradise Father and require all personalities to acknowledge allegiance to this unseen Father. He asserted that the whole plan of worship was a clever scheme to aggrandize the Paradise Sons. He was willing to acknowledge Michael as his Creator-father but not as his God and rightful ruler.

    Most bitterly did he attack the right of the Ancients of Days--"foreign potentates"--to interfere in the affairs of the local systems and universes. These rulers he denounced as tyrants and usurpers. He exhorted his followers to believe that none of these rulers could do aught to interfere with the operation of complete home rule if men and angels only had the courage to assert themselves and boldly claim their rights.

    He contended that the executioners of the Ancients of Days could be debarred from functioning in the local systems if the native beings would only
    assert their independence. He maintained that immortality was inherent in the system personalities, that resurrection was natural and automatic, and that all beings would live eternally except for the arbitrary and unjust acts of the executioners of the Ancients of Days.

    3. The attack upon the universal plan of ascendant mortal training. Lucifer maintained that far too much time and energy were expended upon the scheme of so thoroughly training ascending mortals in the principles of universe administration, principles which he alleged were unethical and unsound. He protested against the agelong program for preparing the mortals of space for some unknown destiny and pointed to the presence of the finaliter corps on Jerusem as proof that these mortals had spent ages of preparation for some destiny of pure fiction. With derision he pointed out that the finaliters had encountered a destiny no more glorious than to be returned to humble spheres similar to those of their origin. He intimated that they had been debauched by overmuch discipline and prolonged training, and that they were in reality traitors to their mortal fellows since they were now co-operating with the scheme of enslaving all creation to the fictions of a mythical eternal destiny for ascending mortals. He advocated that ascenders should enjoy the liberty of individual self-determination. He challenged and condemned the entire plan of mortal ascension as sponsored by the Paradise Sons of God and supported by the Infinite Spirit.

    And it was with such a Declaration of Liberty that Lucifer launched his orgy of darkness and death.
     
  18. DonaSoledad

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    WOW! That is quite a manifesto..I was considering answering this question to..my answer would be that satan's manifesto would be turn away as many as possible from worshipping god, by whatever means necessary.
     
  19. OlderWaterBrother

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    I would add to that, that Satan wants as many as possible to worship him, failing at that he tries to get as many as possible not to worship the True God. ;)
     

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