Say Goodbye to Our Democracy and Freedoms

That's a lot of specialized argument. I see it much simpler. Each person is born with either male or female genitalia. That's why they declare "it's a boy" or "it's a girl". Let's call that gender for this argument.

That person remains that gender until surgically transitioned to have the other gender.

Transition is a process, but only when it's completed do they become the other gender.
At that point they get certified and can have their ID changed.

At any time they are legally considered the gender shown on their ID and partake in any activity or action defined as gender specific.

That way there's no anti-trans and no shenanigans. Anything else seems ludicrous.

 

The thing is, we all have to coexist. Everyone should be treated equally at least until proven unworthy by their nefarious actions against others. Groups self identifying and demanding special treatment are met with disdain by others, that's just human nature. We all have to secede our personal preferences for the general welfare, meaning to try to get along. It doesn't help anybody to fight for their special rights unless it's basic rights common to everyone that are being infringed. Advocating for equal treatment is honorable but demanding special accommodations just turns others off. Each group (when they can all agree within the group) seems to want to put their mind's rules on everyone else but any attempt by the public at large to make rules that apply to everyone equally is met with claims of being victimized. That does not help one's case.

 

I didn't realize using a public bathroom was special treatment.

 

In Europe, you usually have to pay to use a toilet. In the US, we would have people shitting on the sidewalks more often.

 

Louder for those in the back

 

If that were the case then nobody would be talking about it. Think about it; the only reason the issue is getting so much attention lately is exactly because of failing to mind their own business and looking for ways to divide and rile up the public. If they were just tending to their own business and not making spectacles of themselves then there'd be no conversation on the matter and no offended people calling for action. I understand you want your arguments to be true but they aren't real. There isn't a person among us who can walk the city streets with no risk of being killed. You can't ride in a car or public transportation without the risk of being killed. Life is a risk we all have. You don't run a higher risk of being randomly killed for having transitioned gender.

On a separate topic, there's no such thing as "trans-kids". Kids are just kids and don't know anything about that until they're taught. Demented parents may try to be accepted by somebody, anybody, and subject their kids to the drastic notion that they can be either boys or girls, and kids will accept that to please their parents. Older kids may only find acceptance with other kids who have been led to believe that it's an explanation for why they don't feel like they fit in. But they'd never come up with that in their own. This is a relatively new thing that's only come about starting in the last couple-three generations. It's just not real; it's contrived. And it becomes real only in their minds. If treated as real it leads to the inability to produce offspring in adult life. It causes or exacerbates mental instabilities and suicidal tendencies. If there is any good that can come of it, that has not been shown. Let's let kids mature wholesomely and give the freedom to adults to take care of themselves.

 

This is just...disappointing to read. And just factually incorrect.

 

Also, it speaks volumes that when it comes to cis women, its all about safety and "general welfare" but when it comes to trans folks, the attitude magically becomes, "life is risky and dangerous and trans people just have to accept that."

When cis women get it, it's protection. When trans women ask for it, it's demanding special treatment.

I'm sure you'll claim you're not a bigot, but you've just prioritized the safety of cis people over the safety of trans people. Youre saying we're less than.

You might have some soul searching to do.

 

Really? I mean, really?

There's nothing I can ask to make sense of any of that. You obviously can't read and are driven to put words in my mouth, read my mind, and ascribe motives. It never occurred to you that you're acting derogatory? And after that you act like it's a big injustice that you're being countered? What is this a sign of? You tell me.

 

I challenge you to demonstrate where I've stated any of those silly claims. Your quotes are literally false and qualify under defamatory statute. I don't know from where you're talking your cues but you may have some reconsidering due. Again, it's really not helping your case any to go off the rails like that.

 

Okay but what comes to mind is that if you have a good argument, present it. When people respond with name calling, insults, accusations, misrepresentations, mind reading, incoherency, blame, finger pointing, unsubstantiated claims and premises... That means they have no argument. It has turned into a word game where any tactic is used to try to get their own way.

And that's how democracy and freedoms are lost.

 

Happy to

 

A quarter of the entire developed world still claims the sun revolves around the earth, and have made their own common dictionary taboo, while their teachers deny any responsibility.

Democracy has no meaning, when everyone is attempting to censor even Kindergarten dictionaries, because their teachers need to be replaced with computers.

The Tea Party is evidence there never was anybody in charge around here!

 

You haven't made the case I'm anti trans. Or that I ever said trans people should be treated any differently.

What is "it"?

 

No?