Schools are NOT responsible for your childrens' education

I'd like to destroy all British schools at once.
The only difference is, I'd want the private school kids IN their schools when it happened..

 

Spoken like a typically *privately* educated person...
( U didn't go to Eton did you?)

In Britain, private school idiots get to Oxbridge.Intelligent state schoolers sometimes get to good unis, but the prestige jobs in many sectors are filled on cronyist factors.

I've seen state then Oxbridge kids with top degrees literally wind up in McDonalds.

You have to see Britain to believe it.Its not remotely like America or Europe.
A state school kid literally costs about 1/12th or less of the private kid to educate.I went to a supposedly good state school, and the teachers were horrific( if indeed we had them for a full 2yrs)- they really didn't want the class to do very well.

 

Absolutley not. Kids need to pass tests in order to get funding. Funding needs to happen in order for kids to have the materials to learn and they funds for socialization and 'hands-on' learning. Any good teacher's program will tell you learning is always first above socialization. It's sad, but it's the reality and anything else results in chaos.
I've worked in a lot of schools and am currently consulting as a school counselor, where my whole job is kids who have a hard time socializing and making ethically responsible choices. Even with those kids, I can't pull them if they are doing anything slightly important academically.
At first I thought it was because I wasn't liscened, but they had a full-blow Phd psychologist from my company doing it two years ago and it was still the same policy.
In California it's worse, everything is individual learning and quiet for the districts I've worked for (which were all distinguished schools with extra funding allotment).

 

Well, I really know nothing about the British education system, so I can't truly comment.

Doesn't sound like fun though.

 

Its not.Imagine the whole country's meritocracy being akin to George W Bxsh being "the best man to be America's president".That wouldn't scratch the surface of it.You've only gotta listen to people's accents to get an idea.

Maybe thats one of the reasons I have an admiration for Communism- despite my grandparents leaving that world.

 

The test scores usually depend on a certain percentage of students, and classes are given to the remedial ones that specialize in them succeeding in those tests.

Academics come first on a superficial level, but that's not the main point of the schooling.

 

Exactly, it's just the reality. It's sad, but with 30 plus kids in a classroom...what can you do? Even the spec ed classroom at the school I work at, has 25 kids in it.
It's rurual Nevada so the funding sucks. The school hasn;t had a field trip all year.
The distinguished and extra funded schools I worked for, tons of field trips, lots of hands on learning labs, but those were only a few hours a week. the rest of the time was getting ready for testing, quiet, no socializing.

 

But it is what's going on, what's happening. They don't give social apptitude and moralistic tests at the end of the year, they give grade level, AR and Reading C tests.

 

One thing about England is that clever kids or interested ones are made to feel "the odd ones out" when they are young.
Teachers are a big cause of that.
Its pretty sad really..

 

And unfortunatley, there haven;t been remidial classes out side of severe spec ed or behavioral disorder/SED classes for years at any schools I have worked at. However, there have been free after-school tutoring programs, but parents of low-performing kids typically don;t take advantage of those kinds of things.

 

Yes, that still makes no difference.

 

My mom went to Helmsly in Widness because she was smart and was made to feel like a putz for it, so she started failing intentionaly.
For such a smart nation, there is such a weird stigma with advanced education over there.

 

How does articulating what they are testing and what they get their funding for not make a difference in proving what they are supossed to be teaching?

 

That's all superficial.

Things aren't always what they appear to be.

They may get funding and crap from the test scores and so on and so forth.

But that doesn't change the fact that the fundamental goal of schools isn't education.

 

why are you quoting upside down?!

 

hell yea

my kids are gonna be more maverick than i am

 

No, it REALLY is. School's primary function REALLY is education. But, I am not going to try and change your mind anymore. If the facts I've presented doesn't change your opinion, than I am going to guess either A-You are VERY stubborn or B-You really believe your argument.
Either way, you're entitled to your opinion.

 

I do everything backwards. I can't get smilies right either.

 

And there it is.

Education is NOT up to the school.

 

Ress I appreciate your opinion on Britains education and whilst I agree with you on some things, this is just another one we'll disagree on.

Although I can see the kids are made to feel bad for being clever, the general feeling that you don't want to have all the answers. Words like "bod, swot, geek, nerd.." Having said that, since I'm actually half clever I'm not in classes with all the twats and chavs who act like that so it's alright. But I wouldn't blame teachers.

You had bad experiences with teachers but I didn't. Some of them may be crap but I can vouch for each teacher in my school and say they ALL care. They ALL try.