Schools are NOT responsible for your childrens' education

I plan to homeschool my children. The way the school system is in my area, I don't want to risk my children's future with this crock. Most girls are pregnant before graduation, if they graduate, and the boys don't even have to study or do work to graduate. People here are still under the impression that the man needs to earn a living while the woman just needs to take care of the house and kids. My mom's cousin didn't graduate, neither did her daughter, and the granddaughter is 10 in 2nd grade. She's been to school a total of 2 weeks this school year. So, she's looking to follow the generations before her. And that's just an example of what the rest of the town is like.
My dream would be to homeschool my children and be able to travel all over the place for a couple months a year. The traveling will be fun, but also for educational purposes. That's the dream, whether the funds permit it is another story.
It all really depends on the kid. I would have done better in a homeschool environment. My brother on the other hand would have gone crazy without school. But it does not work for everyone.
I'm going to school for my teaching degree. I don't blame the teachers for the problems with our school system. It's the government. The funds are constantly getting cut. There is no way for them to keep up. We had three schools close in the surrounding counties last year. So that's just even more students for the already too full classes.

 

We spent a horrifically too long a time in school.
What there is is a peer distaste( amongst say 6 to 11yr olds) for *over intellectualising* school.

But once they're in streaming - 11 yrs plus,kids do the work and work pretty hard.What boys don't like is reading shit like Jane Eyre and talking about girl-centric stuff in class.
They wanna get thro the exams and earn money.Hence boys results aint that far behind girls.

Sorry but I find it utterly ridiculous to blame working class kids poor chances on themselves.
One of my relatives was lazy as fuck and he's MD of a poncey investment bank company.He's a private school gobshite, thick as two short planks.
Then I see really clever kids from my comprehensive.Had a shit education and are doing utterly shit careers.

Over the past 15 yrs working class kids have become more and more focused on higher education.But the ones who went to uni graduated and wound up largely in shit jobs.The ones who went into "trades" did alot better on average.

The Establishment hates the idea of working or lower middle class kids getting a good state education.In my school, 2 of my 4 A level teachers actually fucked off never to be replaced 9 and 4 months before the exams.!!!

Before that we had 1 teacher between 30.Private schools,its personal tuition.Makes a gigantic difference.

Britain is little different to Apartheid South Africa in this respect.
So I have a type of respect for kids who say "fuck it"and become dealers etc.

 

Actually also this brainwashing of working class people.
"Oh it was my fault I didn't become a brain surgeon, I was so lazy.And its nothing to do with my education cost 20 pence per week,instead of Sebastian's who's was 2 grand a month"

It sort of reminds me of women who were raped then kid emselves it was "all their own fault".

My law school, 3 working class boys out of 60 boys...Sums it up IMO.

 

Correct. I agree.

OK, so some of the richer kids ride on their parents tails into good jobs. So what. It's this bitterness about what the richer classes do, that gives WC kids an excuse not to bother trying. The problem is, the bitterness is learnt at home around the dinner table, listening to their parents whinge about how fucked up the system is, reading shite like The Sun, this proud to be poor stupidity nurtured by the tabloid press.

Of course it's not easy to educate yourself, but it's not fucking impossible either. Too many WC people don't bother trying. Yes, there are some shitty schools(of course) and crappy teachers, but the majority of teachers I've met(and that's a lot) really want to help people who want to help themselves.

WC kids may have a nit to pick about it maybe being easier for richer kids to get on, but fuck, that doesn't mean to say that they should stop studying, lower their ambitions, and start believing that they are and always will be working class.

Just listen to the bitterness at any building site canteen, local boozer, cafe. That 'There's no point in trying' attitude is what's fucking up the kids of the working classes, who grow up listening to this and end up believing it.

That shitty, but it happens. Are you trying to say that the teachers did that to try and fuck you guys' chances?

 

Look the private schools are full of lazy buggers.And the state schools are full of hardworking kids who aren't spoonfed and are atrociously badly taught.They have every right to be "bitter" as u put it.

Who's gonna do better the kid with 20k pa spent or the kid with 1k?If the 20k was wasted, those bloody toffss wouldn't spend it would they...!?

Working class/lower mc people can't come to face it -"yeah they were fucked up the arse because their parents were stupid and subservient".
Like the raped bimbo with no brains or confidence who's dumb enough to "think she deserved it".

A generation of working class kids got degrees but you ain't gonna find Geordies and Scousers becoming high court judges or directors of Rothschilds.Infact I know some who wound up in Burger King..
And you wonder why working class kids wanna go into building and drug trades etc?( ie "non-academic jobs")

This is arguing black is white..

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My school.
yes they did it knowing it WOULD fuck alot of kids chances.
erm change the staff rotas??
I mean why the fuck teach 1st years crap when kids have uni places at stake?
Cos they dont give a FUCK!!
And this was one of the BEST state schools in the county.


PS the French have it right.They call British people "marrionettes" ie "puppets".Maybe gimps would be a better phrase for some people.

 

I'm STILL debating on pulling my three children out of the public school system. There has been so much BS and drama this year, I've nearly lost my mind over it all. Honestly, I'm not sure I feel that the school is the best learning environment for my children. I know my kids better than anyone else, and I know what works for them individually.

When you have to deal with kids screaming, crying, begging to stay home, saying how much they hate school nearly every school day, you've got to wonder.

 

wow. what a shitty school.

 

And to think American public schools 'used' to be good.When I went to school they were still good or at least much better than they are today.Overall the US educational system has become has become one of the worst in the world.And the irony is in some other countries the school day is shorter,but they have a far superior system.

 

my daughter's school is fucking awesome. the entire school district is awesome, actually. the schools have to compete to get kids enrolled in their particular school. a child can be enrolled in any school within the dstrict, so the schools have to make them WANT to sign up there.

 

ironically, the worse the schools get, the more they cut back on education spending. what a way to solve the problem.
all kids should go to school though, theres more to gain besides academics. its good to be surrounded by lots of different people, i cant imagine entering the "real world" without being primed by school first.

 

Urgh. People keep going on and on about money. It doesn't really matter as much as you guys make it out to do, if a kid doesn't have the motivation to work, they won't, and that's the number one reason our schools are shit.

No one gives a fuck.

 

if a kid is going to a school where the teachers are unqualified because they wont pay for good teachers, the facilities are degraded and unkempt, classes are overcrowded, there are not enough books, no paper for teachers to make copies, etc etc all due to lack of funding, theres not much hope left for the school.
Students being unmotivated has to do with the above factors. Who wants to go to school if that's what it's like? Fund schools to bring in qualified teachers who are respected and are there for more than a paycheck, address special needs students, have a support system for problems, and things can get better

 

There's tonnes of kids I know that don't care and no, it's not because we dont have enough paper.

 

I've gotta say it redyel's post and suggestion is probably the most bizarre thing I've read on here in a LONG time.

What does a state schooling cost?Hmm a crap teacher 25k a year, divided by 30 or 35 kids.Many of whom have language diffics in an inner city area.
Most of that expenditure goes back to the State.

So what do they think kids are worth?500 pounds a year?

No study skills are taught.Our school couldn't even "afford" printed notes.
Teachers didn't know the syllabus, don't care .. or left ... never to be replaced.
Private school kids bum around all year, daddy spents 20 odd k a year on teachers and they get to Oxbridge cos the teachers tell em whats gonna come up.. and actually how to pass the exams.

But wait for it according to the "intelluctuals" here .. "its all the fault of working class people.."
Reminds me of that Stockholm Syndrome...

My apologies "lets get back to chimney sweeps, workhouses and working class people doffing cloth caps David Niven style to the so called gentlemen that they shine the shoes of".
( sarcasm wholly intended)

Christ what a load of pigshit...

 

exactly...
I'm all for teaching your kids at home also.. I stay at hom right now and am glad that my baby isn't in some over-crowded daycare not learning shit and is at home with me where she is just getting so smart for how little she is.. I did the same with my son and he was talking better than some kids alot older than him.. but when they get to school I expect them to be learning.. it is the school's responsibility to teach them and keep them safe while they are there once they are home it's mine to continue that through homework and such..
I like the idea of homeschooling but I was home schooled for 2 years and wanted to kill myself lol.. I wanted to be with friends and have a normal school day like all the neighbor kids.. it does take alot away for the experience of school... they have those programs and I went to those as a home schooled kid.. but still I do think kids need that social experience that a public/private school offers...

 

Well there are always kids who are just not suited for school, and will go on to find 9-5 jobs instead of pursuing higher ed, thats the way it is - not everyone is cut out for school. but in terms of the schools as a whole that are doing the worst in testing - the lower their performance, it seems the more they downsize on staff and budget, which makes things harder -- the highest-need schools get the least support. how can a student be motivated without the right resources - particularly without quality teachers

 

I'm not saying that money isn't important, I'm saying that there's a problem with motivation and chucking more and more money at it will solve nothing.

 

Spoken like a true Old Etonian..
( who spends 30k a year on *his* education.

The kids at my school *were* motivated.
But most of em did shit because of shit teachers and shit spending.

Why the hell wouldn't quality teachers solve anything?
A good business coach can earn 1k or more a day.
What does a typical state school teacher earn?A fraction of that.Because in comparison they're pretty crap.Most of don't know the basics of study and teaching skills.

Kids having a laugh in class is healthy.And don't believe the "oh I havent done any work for this exam" brigade.Their motivation is exactly the same as private kids- who get to good unis.

I'm just astounded at some of the ignorance in this thread...

 

I agree that state schools are underfunded, but I don't think that your personal experience in what sounds like a fucking shit school means that all state schools are like that, all state school teachers are shit.

You mean to tell me that all of the WC kids you knew at school really wanted an education? That all of their parents encouraged them to study? Why weren't the parents at the school complaining? If something like that happened at a rich school, the parents would be kicking up a stink and forcing change.

And yes, I honestly believe that a huge amount of working class people don't want to help themselves. They're quite content to feel hard done by.

I also guarantee you that your sweeping generalisations about private school kids are misinformed and misguided. There are a lot, a fucking big lot, of people at private school who are not idiots that bum around all year.

 

My county had 2 private schools and 25 state schools.
Mine was in the best 3 state schools and they were WAY behind the private ones.Very middle class,tenacity parents who were told categorically nothing would be done to improve it.

Thats what u get 500 Pounds a year vs 20k...!

My statements on private school kids arent misguided.As I mentioned, my uni was overwhelmingly full of private kids.So I know what I'm talking about.

Redyel , do yourself a favour- look at the statistics.Speak to some working class and *honest* private school kids.The motivation is pretty similar.But the teaching difference is first world vs 3rd world.

Why have u got this apparent hatred of working class schoolkids?
Did they bully you cos you "talked posh" or something?

Seriously I can't see how I can have a debate if u wanna argue black is white.

2 to6 %
the population (toffs)
gets 50% of Oxbridge places.Kind of show what a joke Britain is..