Science, Proof and Meaning

heeh2- unless you subscribe to any one of the multiverse theories-then this word does not have said implication. i just wanted to leave room for that.

 

lunar- it depends on who i'm communicating with.

 

You're communicating with us.

 

lunar- and i believe if you read what i typed you will see what i called it.

 

if you need me to label it officially: life/awareness

 

I re-read your post. You called it the universe.

 

I understand what you mean, but when we are considering ideas like 'space' which is an 'absence of something', what else is there to consider about it, other than its existence?

It has no shape, no color, it has no form, but it has one attribute that is very relevant. It exists. You and I share this attribute with space, as does everything else that the word universe can include.

this is reminiscent of okiefreak's plea that Atheism is a belief, rather than the absence of one. I have different answers to these because of the point I am trying to get across. Atheism ISN'T a belief, because it does not fit the definition of one. What it IS, is observable in the universe.

This is the case with things like 'space' that just are.

 

yes i did.

 

idea- any conception existing in the mind as a result of mental understanding, awareness, or activity.

 

My apologies. I meant to say belief.

I'm going to edit that in there.

 

you believe/conclude that god does not exist. if you didn't, you would be undecided/agnostic.

 

No.

Asserting something existence for no reason is idiocy.

I merely recognize why doing something like that is fallacy.

 

that "recognition" is a belief.

if i say that levitation is impossible, that is also a belief.

 

I have to agree with this. To acknowledge the absence of something is to believe it doesn't exist. I believe that santa doesn't exist. I'm acknowledging the fact that there is something called santa that may not exist.
The fact of the matter is that by simply acknowledging god, that is where existence happens.

Does love exist? You can't touch it, see it, hear it, smell it, etc. However we believe it exists because we think we feel a certain way about something. We call that feeling love. Therefore love exists in that context as the definition of a feeling.

By saying, "I don't believe in god." At that moment "god" is existing in the form of an idea. To others when they acknowledge god it is a feeling.

 

to take a stance on something requires an opinion. having an opinion is equivalent to having a belief.

edit: lunar beat me to it.

 

To acknowledge the absence of something is to believe it doesn't. This is true

But believing something is not true holds no content as TRUTH. What you are believing, is the method used to form that opinion. You are believing in logic.

False.

Levitation (matter) is a belief (existence). The absence of levitation (space) is not.

You are both proposing that space is something, rather than the absence of something.

True, the absence of things is a thing to be considered. But what you are considering is not there, you are merely acknowledging that.

 

correction: you are believing in your own logic.

a belief does not have to be in something tangible.

i don't think i could respond to you anymore without repeating myself. I respect your belief that your belief is not a belief.

 

I might have misinterpreted this one.

This statement focuses on the possibility of levitation, rather than its existence. Its not the same type of question.

 

If someone has never heard of an idea called god, would the fact that they don't believe in god be called a belief?

If yes: we are arguing different points.

 

sigh.....
no, i don't think i would call that a belief, unless he was taking a stance on it (for instance, the way you are) which would require him to have heard of the idea.