Scientific Evidence of God?

That's very true.. the Bible actually defines - God - very differently to most people. I put this down to poor reading comprehension.. and religious education that is verging on madness..

The majority depend on hearsay.. which as Buddha rightly said.. Is not reliable...... Buddha advised us to find out for ourselves.. from our own experience.

Inspite of popular belief.. shared by both theists and atheists alike.. the Bible clearly speaks of a knowledge of God.. not a belief… (use word search on any Bible to varify this)

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“For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate KNOWLEDGE;”

“GOD IS LOVE, and he that remains in love remains in union with God and God remains in union with him.”

Romans10:2 + 1John 4:16

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I think we can prove the existence of Love..

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“For your loving-kindness is in front of my eyes, And I have walked in your truth.” - Psalms 26:3

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Belief is used in context of believing what the prophets are saying.. not in context of believing whether God exists or not.

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"A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence,"

David Hume

 

quoting passages out of context like you did with Romans 10:2 is what causes people to misunderstand the Bible. Please be careful with that ,as I could sit here and dissect the Bible to validate any point I wished (could do the same by dissecting any religious document or teaching really). How we dissect it however does not change who God really is.

 

When you say context in this case, you mean in line with a particular narrative but truth transcends colloquial vernacular. The statements have wisdom for all situations.

It is salt that has lost it's taste that is no good for seasoning. Pepper is fine.

 

yeah... no that's not what I meant. I mean that a passage out of the rest of the words around it can be misleading. Also, like with anything, you need to know the context of why the writer was writing, and how the audience it was meant for would have read it. All of these are very easy to find out with a little study for nearly the entire bible... certainly for the entire New Testament.

Your second line is funny... but also inaccurate. Dogma and theology that man creates is no good for seasoning... the Bible is just fine when you don't take it out of context.

 

Yeah, and I mean that it is not the information that is available, it is the sense to sort it out, or lack of, that causes errors in perception.

The bible being a book, a repository of symbols, must be interpreted. What context are you referring to?
You are the salt of the earth. The only truth that you will ever know, is the truth that you allow.

 

Again, I am not sure where your coming from or what your stance is on any of this... best I can come up with is your talking about everything being relative to what we each individually think. If this is correct, than I disagree. Truth is truth regardless of the shift from one person's perspective or another. God is God regardless of the shift from one person's thought or another.

If your stance is not that everyone's perception is real and valid... than I have no idea how to respond to any of your statements. You have given no context for them. perhaps a longer post explaining your point of view?

 

The OP doesn’t specify which concept he is asking for proof for.. so I thought is best to cover all the principle ones.. In Buddhism there’s Brahman.. then there’s the Tao.. all very useful for explaining the unexplainable..

The fact that everything is inter-connected is becoming more and more obvious. Science has yet to come up with a concept of how things are inter-connected though.

My own insights and reasoning suggests that there must be a Primary Field.. and everything that exists is an activity taking place in this field.. Such a field could be represented by a symbol.. An very old man with a long white beard.. the Ancient One.. That which has always existed because it exists out-side of the confines of space-time. Both science and religion use symbols to represent their concepts.

As for the Judeo/Christian god concept.. I can see no reason why science cannot be reconciled with.. the Spirit of Loving kindness.. Righteousness.. Justice.. Peace.. Wisdom.. Truth and Freedom.

I really don’t see why there should be a problem with that.. it’s a spirit of connective ness.. but not is any material sense.

A kind of Unified Field Theory of the human spirit..J

Buddha taught the same seven human values should be at the core of any genuine religion.

The evidence suggests that no genuine religion exists yet.. Buddha and Jesus came to try to correct this.. only to be greeted by the deaf.. and the blind.. (metaphorically speaking)

Yes.. maybe you missed them.. I have already covered the Judeo/Christian concept of God..

Jesus taught.. God is a Spirit.. that either exists.. or doesn’t exist.. in human hearts and minds.

Jesus explained God.. by his words and his actions.. He manifested the Supreme Spirit in his words and deeds...

In the most simple terms.. God is the Spirit of Loving kindness.. Righteousness.. Justice.. Peace.. Wisdom.. Truth and Freedom…….. This is the Supreme Spirit that both Christ and Buddha manifests.

They – Christ and Buddha - ARE the PROOF – The god-man…

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“Every church is a stone on the grave of a god-man: it does not want him to rise up again under any circumstances.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

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In fact.. anyone who manifests this Supreme Spirit.. is proof of the existence of the Judeo/Christian concept of God..

God - is inside..

The bottom line being - God – exists.. or doesn’t exist.. in human hearts and minds.. while the proof of the Judeo/Christian concept of God is in human activity.

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“When your forefathers put me to the proof;
They examined me, they also saw my activity.”

Psalms 95:9

 

I am not saying everyone's stance is valid, I am saying that perception is not knowledge but that god is knowable. What makes god seem obscure is the things that people insist he must be. What makes god seem obscure in the world at large is what we insist the world must be. We believe to see and we see to believe.

The bible has many levels at which it can be accurately interpreted. A saying may reflect one truth in one moment of your life and reveal itself as a deeper truth as you gain in life experience. God's word is a living word.
Not a printed word.

 

Emotional hooligan:

Would you please bump up the size of your font to lend rest to ancient eyes?

 

Thank you for the clarification. I would say for the most part I agree with that. God is knowable, and wants to be known by us. We often (as a group and as individuals) let thing interfere with this that come from other people and not from God himself. Also many other refuse to think that things they can not see could still be there.

the only thing I would add is that God talks to us through the printed word, and if you seek to truly understand God, the Bible as a printed word, is the best place to do it.

 

You got the christian part almost.
As you do unto the least of these, you do also unto me. God is never absent, just made to seem obscure.

The judeo part you missed altogether: A god of a selected group of people.

 

my last little bits were not meant to convince you, just to show you some interesting things where science and judeo/christian religion cross.

As far as my process let me sum it up:

Absorb as much knowledge as possible from as many different sources and than evaluate and shift through it. This lets me absorb my experiences and other people experiences, and try to put them into some sort of context.

I have read/studied religion (not just judeo/christian... I would not even say the majority was judeo/christian)
I have read/studied psychology, philosophy, sociology, history, biology, chemistry, physics, etc, etc for lots of different topics.

On top of that I have just sat and watched people as they interact with each other and live their lives. I have also interacted and talked and listened with a large variety of people letting go of judgements and preconceptions as best as any person can.

Through all of this I watched for patterns, similarities, and differences in everything I could, and sat many many hours just thinking it all over. The best I can say is that there are to many people that don't just stop and take time to organize their experiences, let alone try to see how they can learn from others.

Let once again say I don't think this makes better than anyone. A better person yes, but not better than anyone.

I than took all of this information and all the patterns and reached my conclusions. I really don't know how to explain the process, maybe if there is a more specific question I could answer

 

I would say loving god with all your heart and all your mind and all your strength, and loving your brother as yourself, is the best way to do it, and god will speak to you in all things.

 

You mean Zeus? There is not discription of such a for God in the Bible.

thedope - I believe that is the best way of doing what God wants us to do on this earth. but again this needs to be done in context, and not just each deciding how to do it on our own. without the rest of the Bible, it is hard to know that there is much more to God and give context to how we can best love him and each other.

 

Even in the old testament there are many passages that talk about the jews are suppose to be the example, not the only group for God. The "selected group of people" is only so they can set themselves apart from the rest of the world and help show the other people groups who God is.

 

You attributed a quote to me that I did not write.

Pray to god in secret who knows you in secret. What you describe is an attempt at job security for clergy. To know god, know thyself. Learn the power and extent of your devotional nature. Learn of your own effects and creations.

There are a mountain of holy scriptures from many different cultures. There are a plethora of teachers of god from many different traditions.

 

Yes, exactly as I have said. The judeo- christian model reflects the ego-centric perspective of the culture that embraced it.

The ego of personality identifies itself by how it is different from others. Different in body, different in tastes, different in favor with the gods.