Scientific Evidence of God?

Sorry about the quote, I am still getting used to how to quote only parts of things and that method obviously flopped.

I think here are the part where we disagree. I have searched the plethora of other cultures, and find much good... but much that falls short. (course many will claim this about Christianity as well.)

I do not see the claims in the Bible as the ego-centric part... just the way the Jews choose to act on them. They get in a lot of trouble for it throughout the old and new testament. There differences was not for their benefit, and they acted like it was.

 

i would like to say that disagreement or agreement is not the purpose of this thread. The only evidence that it provides is that definitions are debatable.
At the same time our theorems must pass peer review to be generally accepted. So as far as perspectives go, we need a large sampling to detect trends. Let's keep our minds open.

It is written that god showed favor on his people in times of conflict against other nations. And in times of tribulation felt that god was punishing them for their unique deeds. The idea that god is on my side against my enemies, is ego-centric. So don't get offended if I point this out. We need be as wise as serpents, yet innocent as doves.

 

Always odd when people quote something they are not devoted too like it is truth.

I am not offended, just offering how I see it.

Definitions have been debated, but unless there is something solid, than we are just dealing with relativism... and I think that is the most dangerous belief to have.

Also truth is truth regardless of whether our peers or the majority believe in it. We can debate which truth is real, but in the end one of us is wrong, or both of us is wrong. You can not have it both ways.

 

What are you referring to?

We are not interested in belief but evidence. Beliefs do not argue with the truth, they only argue with other beliefs. The evidence is that there are many beliefs.

There is another alternative, we may come to understand, together. That is the reason for peer review. The peer review tries to tear hypothesis apart, it does not seek popular sentiment. The truth may be what the truth is regardless of perspective and we are availed of reality no matter that we may dream incessantly, but to apprehend the truth is to awaken to it.

 

science is apart of everything in our world
as well is God
i dont believe that scientific proof will ever make the case to a lot of
people that there is a higher power
its part of making that step in complete faith that there is actually a one true God
who died for our sins

 

Who do we thank for god's death, now that he is dead?

 

You would thank God, but the theological explanation as to why would take way to long, and a very thorough understanding of the Bible.

 

Dead things don't appreciate gratitude.

Theology is the systematic rational study of religion and it's influences.

Theology is not about reinforcing ideas that are incredulous on the face of it.

 

“But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the KNOWLEDGE of the True One. And we are in union with the True One, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the True God and life everlasting.” - 1John5:20
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I'm curious..

What makes you think I'm quoting out of context.. ?

Doesn't the Bible consistently speak of a KNOWLEDGE of God..?

And.. when it comes to the Bible doesn't - context - mean.. the entire book... ?
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“…for God has a legal case with the inhabitants of the land, for there is no truth nor loving-kindness nor knowledge of God in the land.” - Hosea 4:1

“For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate KNOWLEDGE;”

Notice how the verses.. from all over the scriptures.. actually link up together.. legal case.. witness..

Because the context is.. they are all judgments against organized religion..

Maybe.. because it continually takes verses out of context..

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“For in loving kindness I have taken delight, and not in solemn assembly.; and in the knowledge of God rather than in your use of supernatural power. But they themselves, like earthling man, have overstepped the covenant. There is where they have dealt treacherously with me. And as in the lying in wait for a man, the association of priests are marauding bands.”

Hosea 6:4


AMEN!!!

 

I'll try.. but the front seems to have a life of its own.. which is why.. you might have noticed a varity of sizes.. in my posts..


Maybe with some practice I can figure it out..


I write my posts in Word using font 20.. then shrink it down to 4 for this forum.. I'll try 5 instead..


My eyes aren't so good as they used to be either.. I should wear glasses but I usually bump up the font instead..


If I make it too large all the young ones.. with good eyesight.. will complain..


As Abraham Lincoln said.. "You can't be pleasing all of the people all of the time.."


But I'll try..



5 looks huge.. but then it keeps changing size


when I save it.. it shrinks.

It hasn't shrunk this time..


It's a miracle!!

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The Caterpillar: “What size do you want to be?”

Alice: “Oh, I'm not particular as to size, only one doesn't like changing so often, you know.”

Lewis Carroll

 

Pardon me. I suspected it to be life peculiar to you. And I am sure the color changes randomly on it's own as well.

Seek and ye shall find.

As long as it doesn't put you out, I am grateful.

Thank you.

Prayer answered.

 

Meagain, what do you consider the "Traditiional Judeo/Christian God" to be? The Dude in the Sky" who controls the weather and answers prayers?

 

If I am to be excluded from christendom

My view is, creation is a law without opposite. God's will and mans will are the same will.

 

Here is one for emotional hooligan, EH?

the soul is a rock and the rock will not be moved

nothing is disputed yet nothing is disproved

and the seeds of the earth that were planted long ago

still yield a better harvest than the rock was prone to grow

gordon lightfoot

 

Well first off consider that you are talking to a christian that has read the entire book through. three times. I made sure I knew what it said and what the whole context was before I reached my conclusions.

You are quoting things out of context because you are picking passages that appear to support your point of view. I will admit Christians do this too, and often very poorly, but whether your christian or not the problem is still the same: unless you understand why it is being said and the audience who was meant to hear it, you can make it say whatever you want.

The Bible talks constantly about the knowledge of God, but that is not ALL it says about God. When you take the context of the whole Bible you see that God is not just thought or knowledge, but is an actual being. You can not have a relationship with knowledge, you can have a relationship with God.

Thedope - I am not going to argue about your definition of theology, but once again there is one correct theology and many wrong one's. remember even if you don't agree I am coming from the belief that relativism is a plague that our modern world is all to happy with that leads to serious problems.

 

This is from Wikipedia:
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In all of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, God is conceived of as eternal, omnipotent, omniscient and as the creator of the universe. God is further held to have the properties of holiness, justice, omni-benevolence and omnipresence.
As creator of the universe he is outside of it and it emulates from him as a separate entity. It is in no way part of him.

I see this as a very definition of God, and while many Christians may agree to it, There is so much more that the Bible shows. Not trying to convince here, just point out what the Bible actually says about God.

The universe is not a part of God like my finger is a part of me, if that's what people are trying to say. The universe is a part of God like a painting I make is a part of me, or a clay pot, or a story I write. It is a reflection of who I am, just like we are a reflection of who God is. That being said, God did not just make the universe and abandon it, he is a relational being. God knew true relationship is not created or forced, so he gave man free will. In doing this, man eventually choose himself over the relationship with God. God was not happy with this, but since man could not reestablish the relationship with God on his own, God created a path that would help bring man back into relationship with him.

God is not just a creator that left, and he is not just a being sitting in judgement of man good and bad. He is a being that can be talked to, and being that you can have a relationship with, and that is what the bible is really about: relationships, the one with God in particular.

 

This belief throws any chance of objectivity out the window, as it espouses things that are not real in any circle. The bible is a book, it does not speak. It is a repository of symbols which must be interpreted.

We may discuss our interpretations but you are not free to interpret for everyone.

Besides which the bible is not evidence of god, it is evidence of mans devotions.

 

I am not trying to interpret for everyone, simply saying that not every interpretation is correct. There is an absolute interpretation, and many many wrong one's. Somewhere there is an underlying context to the Bible that is correct, and there can only be one that is correct. the very words in it make that the only option.

On your last comment: if it was inspired by God, than it is more than just about mans devotion... if it was written by man, than how do we really know they were devoted?