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In the end, I would probably still choose the dog.

 

It just occurred to me that, of course you would believe that it is natural for people to believe that animals are more worthy than humans. You're a goddam, self-admitted borderline sociopath.

I guess I must be one, too.

 

So boys and girls,
Punishing the perpetrator assures that victimization is the norm. It is the exact opposite of closure, that is phenomenally speaking. That which we resist persists, as having and being are the same truth. If I defend myself, I am attacked. We enter the ark of condition two by two, male and female creative principle, each according to their kind. There is the pursuer and the pursued, if one falls out a different condition ensues.

What it satisfies is hardness of heart, it does not dispel hard heartedness. We transduce energy into reasons for action based on what we treasure. Follow the money.

Infinite patience brings immediate results, that is for the patient. Others may take their sweet time if they will, but time is not unlimited and nor is one's capacity for pain. Unfortunately we are so inured by the ubiquitous presence of pain and death that we are no longer impressed by vital nature. It seems that most need to hit bottom or become aware that they had run out of survival techniques to take the need for changes in their own life seriously.

I do not think this represents a lack of empathy but an unawareness of the vital nature of every moment. It is like a hypnotic trance from which you cannot pinch yourself to awaken from.

Our lives in every moment are vital and it is not a fact of nature that our carefree days should seem so few and forever distant, it means only that we had learned to care more or less, rather than to be free, that is generous in all instances, with our care.

 

I don't think it is meaningful to nature at large for men to consider life or lives as being of relative worth. I think it serves only to make brutality justifiable to ourselves as we, "defend righteousness".

 

What is the difference between a lack of empathy and a lack of an unawareness of the vital nature of every moment?

What to do with the perpetrator whose lack of awareness negatively affects the well-being of you or me or your children?

I did say that when I was younger I felt that the life of a moderately loyal dog was worth as many people as one could kill in a crowded mall with a machette in one day. I can't speak for Maelstrom, but I was kind of exaggerating. In my opinion, the dog would have to be highly loyal to justify such an exchange rate pertaining to humans and dogs. Plus, I was talking a twelve-hour day

 

Humans are capable of murder. Many of us can't fathom killing someone for " no reason" Think just of world war 2 alone how many people died for one mans cause ( world death toll because of ww2 63,185,500 )

We are quick to judge and or punish one way of death over another. Many people thought Hitler was evil and wanted him dead for his crimes against humanity.

For all of time there has been war and murder. People have a need for power and justice. This will never end. And, I think it will never end because we have ego and where there is ego there is a created chaos which is its own harmony with its own nature within all nature. And this structure has murder...and this structure has sadness and emotion and all things that make us what is called human.

And, we fight wars existentially and thoughtfully with our own selfs to try to kill parts of our own human nature that will probably never go away. There are reasons for reason, reasons for judgement, reasons for murder, reasons for selfishness and reason for emotion etc. It is simply idealistic to say none of that is needed. Otherwise why would all our human history state otherwise.

Also we are quick to judge what is right and wrong because we live such peaceful lives but where there is a hostile world you may have to consider killing another human to live or for the good of people as a whole.

 

There is no lack of empathy, every one has their pets and all expressions of love are maximal. The difference beyond that is education as we are taught to care more or less.

This is the saddest most damaging perception to our well being going forward that there is. There are no guilty parties but we share our lives. Our lives consist of phenomena one followed by the other which we refer to as events, some of which we may call pleasant and some not so. Everyone shares the event of birth and the event of death and the time between those two events is indeterminable. There is no legitimate expectation to long life.
Some live only ten minutes and some ninety years yet each are maximal expressions of that individual being. No one gets short changed.

Phenomenally there is no difference between dying in a tornado or dying at the hands of a murderer. What to do then with the offending tornado?
The storms in the atmosphere are reflected by storms in our consciousness just as storms in our consciousness are reflective of storms in the atmosphere. Storms are caused by uneven heating. In terms of the human psyche, caring more or less. Why do we care more of less, because we are taught some things are good and some things are bad. What we see in mans inhumanity toward man is the natural outflow of this way of apprehending phenomena. We feel morally justified in killing the murderer.

The native exchange rate is as far as evaluation of worthiness is, the measure you give, is the measure you receive. Blessed are those that hunger and thirst for truth rather than worthiness, for they shall be satisfied.

 

There are guilty parties.

People who gang rape
children who bully
war mongers
people who abuse animals
a man punches another man at a bar in the nose because he is drunk
someone drives their own car through a store window
A parent gives their child heroine


you do it then you are guilty of it

And then you have taken the risk the others will react to your actions. We are not above this.

 

There is hardness of heart. We must condemn in order to justify our unwillingness to forgive.

Everyone acts according to their own model of good in any particular moment. Everything is love or the call for it.

 

If everything is love then where does that leave room for duality? Nevermind I know where you are going with this. Love is duality. What bother's me about it is that love and what love looks like is a man made idea, just as a made idea that "God" looks like a human man form. But I know what you mean .

A better question would be how do you forgive the most evil of people? If someone you know is really dangerous and you would rather them not live next to you then you have not forgiven them. Sometimes we open ourselfs up a little too much.

 

What about duality? I feel creation is a law without opposite. What you call duality is a single arbitrary and sliding scale called evaluation and it's poles, not polar opposites, are agreeable to you, or not. It is like a temperature scale moving low to high or high to low but every mark reflecting the single phenomena of temperature. Cold or hot are both part of the same temperate considerations, not opposing states.

Your own sorting out, good from bad does not matter. No matter how much sorting you do, there is yet more to do, if that is what you choose to do. "yet you need not choose to do this to organize your life.

 

You could probably become a motivational speaker and sell that crap to ignorant people.

 

If there is no duality, then thedope is not a good person. If thedope is not a good person, thedope cannot be trusted.

 

Thedope, what I asked was what to do with someone who molests children when you catch them. This is an example of someone negatively affecting others. Assuming you wouldn't argree that they should be judged and condemned, what do you do with them? How do heal the situation?

 

Although I know these things happen, I am only asked to respond in vital practice to what happens to me or mine. How I would respond if it became personal remains to be seen. I could claim I would do one thing or another but what would transpire would emerge naturally in accordance with my concerns of the moment.

The way I respond to the potential of the phenomena in question to occur in my orbit is to maintain a tone of high fidelity which creates large oscillation.
Our emotional body radiates tension so to speak and that tension invites phenomena that are in harmony with that emotional state. These phenomena emerge diversely but have a recognizable theme. That is, if you are angry you are likely to have angry encounters with the elements around you.
When you are at peace you emanate the condition of peace and you are likely to have peaceful encounters with the elements around you. Like calls unto like as for every action there is an equal and complementary reaction. For every inhalation an exhalation follows.

If you will notice no amount of chasing around and doing because something must be done has done anything to end it. Neither fortress nor prison have kept us safe. That is because being and doing are not the same, but having and being are.

I cannot personally do anything about what has already transpired and so it is wise to let the dead bury the dead. However I can effect what may come within my orbit. Teach your children well and they will teach their children well.

Briefly you might ask how this is apparent in the famous case of the raccoon and I will say that I invited the confrontation when I adopted a flock of chickens as a personal resource and life forms commonly contend for resources.

 

Could you explain this in more detail? I don't understand the logic.

You do not need a contest of good and evil to organize your life and it has been my consistent observation that a mind without anxiety is basically kind. It has also been my consistent observation that those who are fearful are many degrees less predictable. Nothing inspires more fear than the idea that reality contains malevolent forces and the idea is no less superstitious than saying the devil exists.

Why would you call me good or bad?, I am only real.

 

I think he's saying that because beside your logic of your own self and how you perceive to be

He perceives that there is a level of good and or evil that does in fact exist. You were talking about all things on the scale or spectrum being just the one. An d, if you are then all things you would be love as well as hate and good as well as evil. These are ideas I would venture to say that most people believe do exist which is most likely a good thing so that we have optimal reasoning skills to deduce amazing experiences from dangerous ones.

You seem to perceive that only one love or one thing exists. That it just is. And that all other things negative don't exist beyond our creating them.
In nature we are born pure and free. We gain senses about us for survival purposes and I don't think we can negate those natural responses. It would be not wise to underestimate all powers of this special human form and all things it is equipped with while we have it and only seek the spiritual beyond the body. I say this not to stunt our seeking or expansions into any enlightenment but I say this because we are in these bodies to fully put use to ALL their parts optimally. Till we do we will not go beyond the body. We haven't mastered the tools these vessels have given us. Survival and ego included. And by mastered I do intend it in a way to say we should find acceptance and usefulness in them. It's like you are fighting being human. And I mean that in no ill way but simply observing. What harm would it do to admit you still find the ego useful to you? Otherwise would you not be ready to just die or denounce society?

In duality you can refer to the yin and yang wherein the equal parts of both make a whole and where in the equal parts still hold the truths of their polar opposite which is where the spectrum is. The grey area between things /ideas whatever. I like this because its respectful to the spectrum, respectful to duality and respectful to the whole.

Also haven't you heard that often when you use thinking to create that not only do you create a like energy to attract that you actually create its opposite as well.

 

The dope: creation may be law but babies do not "make" themselves. Dual forces create and resistance is necessary for that.

Think about how magnets work. And the energy created between them manipulated from different sides.

If it wasn't useful it just wouldn't be.

 

Useful doesn't mean dual.

Sexual dimorphism is a reproductive strategy, not a bringing together of opposite forces, and it exists for the purpose of creative diversity.

Let's do think about bar magnets. I would think from what you have said so far that you might believe polar opposites attract but that is an illusion from looking at the magnets from the outside or superficially. The direction of spin so to speak of a bar magnet may be from the negative labeled pole to the positive labeled pole. Let's put the negative labeled pole on the left and the positive labeled pole on the right and we take another identical bar magnet and try to place them end to end on a table.

When we try to put the two positive labeled poles next to each other they appear to repulse each other and if we put the opposite labeled poles together they seem to lock together tightly and it appears as though opposite poles had been attracted to each other. But, It is the congruent lines of force within the magnet that bind. The direction of spin or line of force going from left to right, from the negative labeled pole to the positive labeled pole. When the bar magnets are negative labeled pole to positive labeled pole, the lines of force then of both magnets are congruent, not in opposition, both flowing from negative to positive in a single yet now reinforced line of force.

So even in the case of negative pole to negative pole the lines of force are not in opposition but flowing at oblique angles. All matter has three properties not two. They are absorptive, reflective, and polarity.

Duality is a philosophical theory, not a fact of nature. Diversity is natures fact, a single thrust expressed diversely.

 

The magnets were an example that a force will be created by 2 objects and not just one. More thinking about what happens in between them and that energy is created. You just seem to think things come out of nowhere and just are. And that all is love. I don't agree and that's fine. I do embrace duality for the good of a whole and that's fine too. Opposition can be embraced and that is forgiveness. Not pretending it doesn't exist.