self righteous atheists....

it is indeed fair game. i wanted to hear your justification for thinking as such. if you take it with such sensitivity, my b. carry on.

 

Actually that's not what is meant when one says it is not ones task to judge others

it's like you hear preachers say "pride comes before the fall" all the fucking time, well, REALLY that should have been translated as hubris, but the guy who was doing the translating wanted to keep to vernacular of the time, and as wonderful a word as hubris is. it's never been vernacular.


so judge and Judge are actually two separate things, but english doesn't have that kind of finesse

 

Um, ok... Yeah, I'll just go cry now.

 

Our energy is given off in the form of heat radiation. Basic physics. Basic, easy to explore and explain, easy to prove, easy to experience principles. I don't see why we need to dress the whole thing up with legends about ghosts, fairies and sado-masochists who go to hell for three days whilst all sinners go there for all eternity (and yet he is some kind of hero )

 

moderation.

 

Elaborate. I like your posts and your reasoning, I'm interested to hear what you have to say.

By the way, I'm not hugely into bashing religion but sometimes I find agnostics more confounding than atheists, like Pi in life of Pi. There is something a little annoying about the fence sitting logic behind it all. If you want to believe in something, believe, but don't try to hide behind the idea that there are just some things that we cannot possibly know, and that science ultimately fails at being objective. Within that black hole, is a big fucking question mark...not proof that god exists.

 

Excuse me.

If YOU can't understand it, that's because the meaning has been hidden from you.

Do you believe life is understandable?

In your own mind ~ IS life understandable?

Please.

Tell us about it.

 

If we suddenly learned without a doubt that god does exist would you change the way you live? what about the other way around? why do we need proof to live the way we live, its dumb. live "your" life the way you think is right and dont worry about the way someone else lives theirs. see, simple

 

Simple,

until the rules change...

Now, i'm living in an aborigine colonly of cannibals.





WUT?!?

i'm not down with canniblism, per se,

but Hey! In THIS society, you gain "smarts" by eating the brains of other people.

Scientific fact.

Well, CANNIBAL Scientific fact...

 

I agree.

No.

No.

Okay.

I feel as if there are limits to human knowledge and that unknowns are a given. I do not think however that those unknowns are proof or justification for the thought that there is something within that black hole that transcends reality as we know it on a human level. Furthermore, in my experience most attempts at trying to explain the unknown are based on guesswork or are borrowed from outdated ancient traditions, the beliefs of which have largely been disproven by science (within the level of the seemingly knowable and proveable). While it is not proof that such attempts to explain the unknown are wrong, the fact that their substance varies so greatly (perhaps even infinitely) even among billions of individuals, it is reasonable to conclude that it is impossible for a man alone to have any real grasp of the truth outside of what is easily proveable. It is my assumption that faith is a copout for people who are not comfortable with not knowing.

EDIT: Or people who simply haven't thought about it in the first place. I don't particularly see anything wrong with this, and I don't think knowledge is an absolute necessity, but if we must discuss in detail the ins and outs of existence, then I think the most intelligent conclusion is that coming to any sort of conclusion is moronic. In that way I am probably making a case against athiests as well as the religious. However, it is when intelligent people start talking about hokey pokey spiritual ideas with no basis ANYWHERE that I get a little annoyed.

 

The truly sad part of this is,

that is only one "right way"

and we just don't want to see it...

We can't.

If we do,

we'll realize we aren't much of anything,

and society doesn't allow THAT, these days.

 

uh that may.... (or may not) be a bit to simple. God knows, see-> {proof} right their in black and white. it says it right so it must be true. kinda eerie huh

 

yeah, makes sense to me

 

Oh, wow.

No.

Faith is a "cop-out" for those of us who would humble ourselves to a Greater One,

Who surely created each one of us,

Who is surely part of each one of us,

Who is where we are going.

It's a mystery, even to Christians. How can there be THREE ~ The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit/Ghost?

Is it like Star Trek? Other planets could have said that there were three ~

The Enterprise, Capt. Kirk, and Deanna Troi.

Have you ever thought about how three can be one?

Tell me about it.

 

If I was to say all of what I just said with less words I would say: I feel like it is better to exhaust the limits of the material, to use our limited energy exploring the knowable, instead of blindly grasping in the dark for that which just does not appear to be there.

 

i can expand, but i could go on for ages. pm if you care.
bolded: it complicates here.
agnostic doesn't have to equal existentialist.
how about settling for a fine balance, but accepting it is not absolute?
I fail to see why being "right" should be everyone's ultimate goal.
Right/proof is a relative term.

 

Face it man, you cannot eat your own face.

Everything is a paradox if you think about it hard enough, and I know you try it.

Therefore, everything you have ever thought, known, thought you known, or knew you maybe thunk is not real!

 

I have Climbed mountains. Meditated. Had Sex. Talked to thousands of different people from thousands of walks of life about thousands of different things. I feel, eat, breathe, read, see, hear, think...and yet the only place I have ever come across this greater one is in a book written by men, or spoken about by men after reading this book written by men.

I do not see he or she in the trees, in the ocean, in the clouds, in the moon nor in my own heart. All I see is the trees, the ocean, the clouds, the moon and my own heart and while it troubles me at times, I can find contentment with the fact that that is all I see and probably ever will see.

 

i believe in balance.
neither extreme is better than the other.

 

I have been having difficulty explaining exactly what I mean about agnostics. I can understand a person settling for a fine balance without trying to accept it as absolute. What I find however, is that some people try to use reason, logic and scientific arguments to rationalize the idea that there must be something out there.

What I am saying is that the must should be at the whim of the individual, and does not appear to be justifiable.

I believe that there probably isn't something else out there, to exclaim what must be would be a cop out.