Shall We All Carry ID Cards?

Actually a law abiding citizen should take great issue with being asked for ID.

 

i know how it feels like. in such occasions i enjoyed leaving the pigs free to search for nothing in bags full of my dirty underpants , used kleenex and other yucky things. on the other side in my square days short hair and formal dresses did not save me from harassment. once a carabiniere (italian variety of pigs which are military too, they are quite infamous and widely notorious for their open love for fascism) stopped me at night in the middle of nowhere on a country road because of a missing safety belt, made a hell of a fuss screamin' like the mad and to explain himself right he put the muzzle of his machine gun in front of my face while doing that. i was with a girl and we both looked perfectly "respectable". hell, i was the facsimile of crumb's mr. Whiteman ,

yet this did not spare me police brutality. looks like italian cops are fond of harassing young people, no matter their looks. to be honest once they wanted to arrest my mother as well because in their opinion she was not showing them respect and he was just arguing, not calling them assholes. ah, and if you have no ID or if they "suspect" it is a fake they can take you to the hq for "identification" which means that they can de facto arrest you under every circumstance, only they don't call this an arrest. they also can search you if they "suspect" that you are carrying drugs or weapons = they can search you at will. lately our police forces are murdering quite a lot of people apparently for no reason, both in jail and in the streets, all harmless people, be warned, like stoners or drunken people that had the misfortune to find a touchy patrol. they never dare to do that to mafia men. frustration ? in one of these cases four of them including a police woman stopped a drunken boy and crushed his head with their truncheons AFTER having him handcuffed and lying face down on the road. no reason except pure blood lust, and you can bet dick and balls that they won't spend one single minute in jail, granted, like all those before and after them.

 

Actually once again, law abiding citizens should take great offense at being asked for ID.

 

major oops from my side, sorry pal. my bad. happens with poor school English + persistent insomnia... I understood exactly the opposite of what you were saying. Will make amends for that, bro. i took that for trolling...

 

Nah it's cool, the first time I said it I worded it a bit odd.

But to the main point at hand where this is coming from, the Arizona immigration bill, that law is going to reach the courts, I mean the ACLU among others have already filed lawsuits. If that bill is not found unconstitutional for racial profiling, then it will be for in essence forcing people to carry an ID outside their home. We have a common law where current law is set by precedent from past cases, and courts have ruled numerous times that it is unconstitutional to legally force someone to carry an ID with them.

 

So in effect you are living in a police state. I am sure with the bleak picture you presented here, there are still ppl in Italy fighting the fascist oppression that apparently exists there.

Here in the U.S. we have such a history, from Officer Serpico in New York in the '60s to all the corrupt police forces in Miami, New Orleans, Los Angeles where the pigs have been caught or implicated in citizens' murders. That does not even mention our racist segregation days when Southern pigs murdered ppl for trying to ensure civil rights.

Which brings us back to the Arizona effort that would inch us toward what you describe is happening in Italy. WE CIVIL LIBERTARIANS DO NOT WANT THAT.

We also see how easily society devolves from freedom to fascism. Happened in Nazi Germany and Italy (Tho the Catholic Church has run that country for so many centuries that secular fascism or the Mafia is just a changing of the guard - business as usual).

So, once again, law abiding citizens should take great offense at being asked for ID.

 

Some of us remember those days of the "Doonesbury Laws," so named after political cartoonist Gary Trudeau lampooned them in the papers. The laws were pretty much abandoned after many court cases saying that you cannot require certain ppl to carry ID, such as seasonal workers in Southern California and South Florida.

 

exactly. it is a bloody mockery of a democratic republic and used to be pretty nasty but lately it is becoming pure hell and will get worse. people shot for no reason or brutally massacred by police INSIDE COURTS OF JUSTICE and abandoned to die in hospitals , lagers where migrants are jailed without charge and against the law where if they get sick they die, corrupted left wing opposing to berlusconi that get blackmailed and robbed gun in hand by criminal policemen over sex and drug affairs in a context of mysterious murders of entire rows of prostitutes, revolts that hardly hit the news, racial pogroms involving WHOLE TOWNS with firearms against black people who happen to be semi slaves in the hands of mafias, mass armed assaults from neofascists against protesters, students, gay et alia , promptly backed by the police... the survivors of the last earthquake stay in military camps where the constitutional rights were suspended. if you talk of politics or complain, carabinieri come and shut your mouth. the centre of l'Aquila, like a thousand other places in italy, is guarded by the ARMY : right. the army, with armored vehicles and guns, guarding every day a lot of places including (would you believe that?) dumps . this sometimes leads to clashes between the army and the angry populations. I do swear i am not making up this. we are accustomed to the army in the streets, it was berlusconi's personal wish. do you think we are paranoid for nothing ?...

over all this, and much (i mean a lot) more, our media stopped talking about serious issues so if you hear news form italian TV it is all gossip. lately the tv did not even talk about the results of the final turn of elections, can you seriously conceive THAT ???? a democracy where the media don't care much about elections ? ok it is just one region but what the heck. elections matter. or not ? maybe it is because more than half of voters believes that elections are flawed here and DOES NOT VOTE ANY MORE.

and berlusconi is attempting to deliver the final blows to freedom in the form of the ultimate gag for any protesting voice on paper, tv and internet. i believe that in a relatively short time, if he is not neutralized for good by the law the only alternative to avoid dictatorship will be revolt or abandoning the place. whats worst is that 99% of our people is resigned to bear everything coming from the government as if it were bad weather or another inescapable event. «resistance is futile» is OUR NATIONAL MOTTO and should be written on the italian official state seal.

 

I have an embedded dog tag.. technically I dont ever need ID Im already pinned with the beast code.. USARMY.. FTW..

 

I was just stopped 3 days ago, in the car with an friend. and they said I looked suspicious, when I asked why they thought so, they said, You look like you are on drugs ma'am. and they searched our car and found nothing. and I was a little pissed off, bc if I was on drugs, you would have been able to tell, and I was sober. Stopping anyone just bc of the way they dress, or their skin color, to me is just a tad bit out there, and not right. I have no idea how hard it is to be black or hispanic, and being pulled over, and searched but even in this day and age, there is a lot of racism still going on, and this arizona law just makes it easier to be racist, for the cops to just pull someone over for bs reasons. and I am sorry but I dont have any id on me, at any time, bc I dont drive, and I dont carry my ss card with me anywhere.