Shocking discoveries on the Holocaust

Oki, so from the gist of your comment you really havn't read this thread, have you? A discussion about, not deniying anything. Of course I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. And if it is a thread you don't like, you can always not read it....

I for one never said the Holocaust never happened. Instead, I know it did. I just don't think it was as severe as the Jews made it sound.

I presume you mean me? No genocide is "best of all". None. No where. No how. Murder is still murder and no matter what color you paint it, it's still wrong.

Or even here in America where Americans are arrested on a daily basis for merely exercising their rights AS Americans. Americans....political prisoners inside America? Un heard of, you may think. Yet all too real.

 

From wiipedia:
The Crucifixion of Jews Must Stop! is an article by Glynn that appeared in the October 31, 1919, issue of The American Hebrew lamenting the poor conditions for European Jews after World War I. Glynn referred to these conditions as a potential "holocaust" and asserted that "six million Jewish men and women are starving across the seas". Because of these possible coincidences, the article has allegedly been exploited by Holocaust-denial groups. Others, while in no way intending to deny the Holocaust, nonetheless acknowledge that the commonly-quoted figure of six million deaths is an estimate, that the actual number may have been higher or lower, that not all of the victims were Jewish, and that there is a wide margin of error.

 

Seriously, why in the world would you ask pertinent questions?

 

Yes, I read it. lol. Just because I don't like the opinion being argued in this thread doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to comment on it.

Okay, I guess you didn't get the joke there.

Your assumption that I am not aware of current events, nor am I educated in such subjects, is incorrect.

 

to discover the answers

 

Anyone read about how IBM supported the holocaust because of the extreme profits in selling the small machines that counted each person as they lined up for the camps?

Fucking disgusting.

 

hey people, I'm a jew by your eugenic standards spoon-fed to the cattle,
and yes midgard is right, the way it is presented is a fraud, because goyim would never understand (too brainwashed) that:
victims of crimes are entitled to unlimited compensation.

So even if one jew was kicked out of europe or left of his own will because of valid concerns of 'witch-hunting', the hungry jew york lawyers who manage these compensation claims funnel the profits to ISRAEL corporation, while the real people who may have actually been in labour camps and survived, get little.

They steal from themselves. The jew is his own worst enemy.

They make their children very afraid and tell them normal people are jew-haters today for 'no reason', so it makes them psychotic from kindergarten. They are told 'never forgive, never forget' just the opposite of christ-conciousness and the basic standards of proper civilization. It is simply child-abuse.

More moderate voices get no rothschild/compensation fund support. Read israel shahak, or http://www.amazon.com/Life-American-Racist-Marxist-Israel/dp/0939482010"]jack berstein.
Only extremist whack-jobs like the ADL/SPLC and crazy rebbs get funding, monsanto, world bank, all controlled by the same wing-nut evil whack jobs that controlled the ghetto, and select among a large pool of patsies (people who love evil but do not have the funding themselves).

Case closed.

 

http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/


I'm not saying it's true or not. This is the first website that came up when I searched, in case anyone else is curious about it.

 

Read: People make money off stuff. Since when in the history of the earth has something which can be profited from not been exploited? People make money off anything and everything.

 

I think there could be commonly accepted information about the holocaust which is inaccurate. However, the holocaust denial site referenced seems to suggest that Auschwitz was really club med. Seems a bit ridiculous.

Maybe there really was a soccer field, a swimming pool, and a brothel at Auschwitz. This does not mean that they were there because the Nazis decided to throw a giant fucking party for the Jews. If these luxuries were there, they were likely for the benefit of the officers and camp guards.

Just because some guy has a web site denying or minimizing the holocaust doesn't mean that his information is accurate or that his conclusions would hold up to logical examination.

If someone wants to deny the holocaust, I don't think the response should be to either shout them down or arrest them, as might occur in Germany? Rather, I think that holocaust denial should be met with counterarguments, and I think that most of the holocaust denial info wouldn't hold up to scrutiny.

I think the fact that someone might see holocaust denial information without thinking critically about it is a problem. The failure to be willing to think critically about the conventional view of the holocaust is also a problem. If we believe information simply because those who control information say a thing is so, we are prone to the same totalitarian control that led to the holocaust in the first place.

If there is really a flaw to the standard education about the holocaust and of the rise of the Nazis, it's that we are lead to believe that the Nazis came to power spontaneously, or that somehow the holocaust is the product of moral inferiority on the part of the German people.

The Great Depression and the climate of political extremism in pre-war Germany might fairly be blamed. Fear of marxist revolution is, I think, fairly considered one of the primary forces that pushed Germany toward the Nazis.

The holocaust is a crime that could happen in any country under the wrong circumstances. The USA is now altogether too similar to pre-war Germany.

 

You're forgetting the thousands of sainted dipsomaniacs the Germans martyred. Many of whom were atomically vaporised or steamed to death at Treblinka alongside of their fellow Jewish victims.

Of course the Jews deserve the compulsory post-Shoah adoration they now enjoy. However I hope you are not denying the equally semi-divine drunkards, who suffered just as much as them, their due sanctification.

I'd hate to see decent society brand you and hound you to an early grave as an universally hated Anti-Inebriate.

 

i believe over 11 million died .. i think the 6 million mark may have been just the jews? likely more with the grandparent clause and what not.

 

True.

Nope, didn't see it.

No such assumption.

 

I don't think what you describe is the standard education. The idea that the Germans are morally inferior is no different than the idea that Jews are morally inferior. There is a recorded history of the rise of Nazi power and there has been no attempt by anyone to lead me to believe that the Nazis came to power "spontaneously".

 

I think there is a hangover that never completely went away from both WWII and WWI war propaganda that demonized the Germans. The fact that so many war crimes were committed by the Nazis did little to erase that impression.

The scholarly understanding of the rise of the Nazis and the popular one are very different, (IMHO), the popular one still colored by propaganda and black-and-white thinking. Certainly the grade school version of the rise of the Nazis that I was given never delved into the political polarization of pre-war Germany. When the rise of the Nazis is addressed in the popular media, usually one is only presented with images of Hitler making firey speeches and being saluted by the masses.

 

Hitler did make fiery speeches and was saluted by masses. The hangover you describe is racist above all and could be applied to any group. Small mindedness is not the rule however. The people populating Jerry Springer are dysfunctional.

 

Could you please explain this?

 

This website addresses the Holocaust conspiracy perfectly

 

I don't feel like reading past this part;

gen·ius (jnys)
n. pl. gen·ius·es
1.
a. Extraordinary intellectual and creative power.
b. A person of extraordinary intellect and talent: "One is not born a genius, one becomes a genius" (Simone de Beauvoir).
c. A person who has an exceptionally high intelligence quotient, typically above 140.


A person of extraordinary intellect does not deny evidence. I believe a fool does however.

 

The idea that some races or groups are inferior by virtue of belonging to those races or groups is racist. To say Germans are morally inferior is a racist expression.
The same kinds of expressions were focused on Japanese as the Japanese regarded many whom they overran, to be "inferior" beings.

So my point is that such an attitude has been around for a long time and is not really a hangover from specific "education" about the character of Germans. It is more an endemic attitude that people assign to different races or cultures.