Shocking discoveries on the Holocaust

I understand. Thanks

 

That's not racism. Moral alignment isn't an inherent trait. It isn't necessarily a product of genetics. A race or group of people in a geographical area or an organization are certainly capable of being morally inferior as a result not of their genes but by indoctrination, not getting enough exercise or environmental causes such as steriods in their drinking water. A racist explanation is not needed.

 

I didn't say moral alignment is an inherited trait, I said that to say Germans are morally inferior is a racist statement.
One cannot be morally inferior. One may have different moral values. Your statement while not technically racist is prejudiced.

 

Ahh you're right, wikipedia puts the number at 11-17 million.

Anyway, I first encountered this when I was about 15. I was startled. It's part of the whole stormfront.org lunacy. I have no respect for holocaust deniers.

 

Well, it isn't. Placing a group of Germans in a room with someone as charismatic as Hitler and as a result having them commit morally deplorable actions would give no indication of their genetic predisposition to immorality, since it is likely that putting French in that room instead would give the same outcome.

 

Those who deny the Holocaust are only exhibiting their ignorance and/or hatred. Usually it's a mixture of both. Though the ratios may differ, it still adds up to 100% Twit.

 

I agree.
Like putting a bunch of Tea Party people in a room with Glen Beck.

 

I read that whole article and really learned some cool things that i had not known before. Like that most countries had a reason to go to war with germany not because of the holocaust or invasion, but that hitler created his own money for germany and it was really hurting banks and so forth.

Also i learned of the bombing of some city in germany that started with a d? and it was a war crime. i never learned about that. I forget the city name because it was late last night i read about it and i guess they used nuclear bombing although i thought the only nuclear bombs in ww2 used were the 2 that america used on japan.

also i learned of how the russians killed more polish people than i ever knew about. they killed 4,000 some polish military men in the woods somewhere, and blamed it on the germans up until about 1990. they killed more than that but it was some huge massacre that im talking about. also forget the name of it.

so as i see it. fuck the germans. fuck the russians. fuck the americans with their nukes. go poland. haha no but seriously, why didnt i ever learn any of this shit.

 

I find it curious that Anne Frank has not been mentioned in this thread. Perhaps because her death proves the holocaust really did happen? Apart from her popular diary (which her father had great difficulty publishing after he survived the concentration camps), the fact remains that many Jews died in the camps from starvation and typhus. And this is documented in books... written by survivors. So the pics on that website are beyond absurd.

Anne Frank (and many others) were not gassed to death. Nor were their corpses burned in ovens. They died from horrific neglect. Then they were buried in mass graves. This to me is even more barbaric than the gas chambers: starvation, lice, typhus, freezing and overcrowded "living" conditions. It all sounds more like a hell on earth... than the happy camps depicted in the pics on that Holocaust denial website. I'd say the webmaster is in denial. Big time.

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I remember stumbling on the time life books WWII in my parents room. My dad had some kinda obsession to buy them all.. There was many pictures of things that a child shouldnt be exposed to, but I cant recall it bothering me at all.. think about a child age 10 finding books in parents room little to understand from a certain point of view, really..
Nobody there to tell the story, flipping pages seeing pits of dead human beings partial nude to worse, finding things like Heavy-Metal- magazine
in their room, not really able to grasp the whole world picture,. probably not til I was later a teen and further growing up...
I went to a Catholic school, remember this kid with drawing swastikas, Copy catting doing things older kids did. This symbol would piss the nuns off. They never gave an explanation REALLY..
My real experiences with horrible scenes, like the holocaust. Was when Kuwait was invaded by Iraq and the the things that followed..
I Think it was then the holocaust pictures in my childhood were more real .. But somehow its difficult to see the world where one minute everyone is riding horses and the locomotive engine is new, a wave of industry and WWI.... And this Charlie Chapman looking character running amok and nobody stepping in to stop him. I believe that some horrible acts were committed. Not denying that. But Seeing what occurred in Iraq by some Charlie Chapman looking character and reading about it later on. There was a lot of false information, exaggerated numbers and lies on both side. Then too, I could also be lying ....

There is a troubling information age today, the shock and awe is practially over 2 months after child birth.. Parents plop the child before the TV set and Mr Rogers is dead. The child grows up watching CNN and countless other horrible things .. Im not saying everyone though. Later child is exposed to violent video games and music.... Taught to kill with the push of a button.... Holocaust??.. pttf.

The Holocaust to come, is what we need to avoid...:love:

 

I totally agree. And that's why it is so important to remember (not deny) history. :sunny:

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Bosnian War......:toetap05:

some people I know, have never heard of it..

 

someone in here was denying the srebenica massacre a while back, can't remember who or when . . .

aside to miidgardsun, no one has done any research on the main gas chamber at auschwitz, the one at auschwitz ii - birkenau, because the germans blew the damn thing up before they left

i guess even germans can be embarrassed . . .

 

you forgot another thing- I dont believe neither all that was written on Stalin, Hussein, Gandhi and others- like always there are vast amounts of lies written about the "enemies"...

 

like the lies written about George Bush.. 0o... :leaving:

 

i have no problem with that, but sometimes the conventional wisdom is right

one must carefully assess any and all evidence, from whatever "side", before coming to a conclusion

some of the stuff you posted i recognized from my own attempt to answer the same questions years ago [late 80s?] - extremely dubious research from thoroughly biased researchers . . .

my conclusion? that while certain aspects of the conventional wisdom on the holocaust may be slightly off here and there, the whole of the thing stands as is

 

The firestorm of Dresden was at the end of ww2, they used phosphorus and explosives. Phopshorus is bad enough because it doesnt stop burning when it burns into the human body
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

 

also, i'd add that stalin and hussein were not merely the "enemies" of the powers that be, they were the enemies of their own people, and should be reviled by any decent people anywhere

this in no ways justifies the cold war or the repeated invasions and harassments of iraq - but neither do those things negate the inhumanity of uncles joe and saddam

[snipped gandhi as he should not be mentioned in such company]

 

Dresden:
Holocaust over Dresden, known as the Florence of the North. Dresden was a hospital city for wounded soldiers. Not one military unit, not one anti-aircraft battery was deployed in the city. Together with the 600,000 refugees from Breslau, Dresden was filled with nearly 1.2 million people. Churchill had asked for "suggestions how to blaze 600,000 refugees". He wasn't interested how to target military installations 60 miles outside of Dresden. More than 700,000 phosphorus bombs were dropped on 1.2 million people. One bomb for every 2 people. The temperature in the centre of the city reached 1600o centigrade. More than 260,000 bodies and residues of bodies were counted. But those who perished in the centre of the city can't be traced. Appr. 500,000 children, women, the elderly, wounded soldiers and the animals of the zoo were murdered in one night. [2001] TERROR BOMBING: THE CRIME OF THE TWENTIETH CENTURY by Michael Walsh

 

Awesome conclusion. :sunny:

QP