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Snopes dismisses the evidence, it does not debunk it. Those wanting to not actually weigh the evidence will use snopes as their escape route for self justification rather than consider the substantial reviews they would rather deem conspiracy theories.

Frankly, lengthy consideration of the Pentagon's own video footage will reveal to the objective mind that the object that hit the Pentagon was far too short and indeed far too low to the ground to be a 757 jumbo jet let alone the resulting explosion which itself did not even match the fireball created by the WTC collisions. Remember how much fuel a jumbo carries in its tanks.

All in all, this is but one piece of a very concerted and well planned puzzle and if believing that our own government agencies with all our means and opportunity and demonstrable subsequent benefit to big money interests is just a loony conspiracy, then how much more the same level of required timing, precision and planning from a ragtag band hiding out in caves in Afghanistan, which the mainstream has no problem believing?

The latter is far more loony and a stretch of the imagination than recognising it for the "catastrophic event" required by the PNAC agenda (in its own documented words) for the realisation of its perpetual militarisation of US foreign policy.

Can you truly continue believing any coverstory handed to us by a cabal of repeated exposed liars?

 

where is this official pentagon video footage? All I've been able to locate is the same photo montage that snopes dismisses and that are in this thread. I can believe in the conspiracy... and I'm open to convincing; in fact, I ask you to convince me! I'm just not easily convinced. I've lived in DC and commuted to work on 495 by the pentagon... I've no doubt in my mind that tons of people saw the plane in question fly into the pentagon, and I think there's more than enough evidence to support that opinion. Who controlled the plane, the motives behind the attack; I'm not arguing any of that. I just think it was a plane, and that plane was flight 77. That's it.

 

I think you need to create a thread, and explain how the illuminati are behind EVERYTHING. Start with the dawm of time and end with present day. You never ever give us facts, just "parnoia rants." Its defiently interesting, but I need to see some evidence to start listening.

 

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm only talks about the questions that are eaily answered. They simply take those 7 questions, which are indeed stupid ones, and then dismisses the rest of the evidence in an attempt to "prove" what happened. All the answeres can be answered yourself by looking at pictures and reading what happened. It's the questions which are not on this site, and the pictures which they do not touch on which make me believe something else happened.

Question 1: "..[size=-1]only damaged the outside of the Pentagon?"
It went all the way through the 3rd ring. Photos clearly show that.

2:[/size][size=-1]Can you explain how a Boeing 14.9 yards high, 51.7 yards long, with a wingspan of 41.6 yards and a cockpit 3.8 yards high, could crash into just the ground floor of this building?"
[/size][size=-1]Snopes contradicts itself by saying it knows that it didnt crash into just the ground floor, but then says it's impossible to determine the point of entry because of all the fire, etc, and then the building collapsed.
[/size][size=-1] 3) You'll remember that the aircraft only hit the ground floor of the Pentagon's first ring. Can you find debris of a Boeing 757-200 in this photograph?
[/size][size=-1]I believe the debris would be inside anyways, due to the fact it went way into the building. But, there would still be a frame and all that jazz. There always is in a plane wreck, it dosnt magically melt it away. There should be a lot more pieces to this plane then what was there. A couple of pictures show "pieces from a plane", although these were not in the first photos taken.[/size][size=-1]Snopes is really and truely nothing. Like said before, it's an easy escape for some, but it does not prove a thing. If Snopes is the only arguement that people have, then you might want to start rethinking what you believe.
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Any literary sources on the Illuminati who would recommend?

 

thats the thing...compiling that kind of information fills many many books.

david icke has done some excellent research on the history of the illuminati. check out "the biggest secret". the only thing about icke is his reptialian theory...its a bit heavy and far out. i personally take it more symbolically than actually believe the illuminati are shape shifting reptiles. but he does an excellent job at compiling the evidence that there is a global elite running the show.

heres what i believe, im open to the fact that i may be completely off...
the ancients once possesed knowledge that is now very hidden....extict even to some extent. at least to the general population. i believe the illuminati's main objective has been to keep us blind of that knowledge...and using it themselfs to manipulate situations. its the knowledge that would set us free. we are slaves. if our collective conciousness realized its true potential, things would be very different. we all have the potential and power of gods...we are all gods....gods without a clue. acendsion (sp?) is what the illuminati is trying to hold us back from. because a god cannot be enslaved. look at the shaman in the jungles of peru...look at the more advanced occultists...look at the dali lama...ect. our potential has been forgotten by most.
our prison has been set up in such a way to make it appear to us that we are free....its the perfect scenerio for unchallenged control.

*wonders* how deep do i want to go here...i believe there is another force at play here though...that of the light. and i believe the final confrontation is approaching. the battle between the two has been waging since the begining. teh more research i do the deeper the rabbit hole goes, always branching off in many directions. iv aquired a bit of an obsession with this stuff.

i think of spiritual evolution as a ladder...each step with higher vibrations. a part of me thinks our reality is a game to those of higher dimentions, even gods get bored when they find out how long eternity is.

wow...didnt really mean to get into all this, especially in this thread. btw, i already know im "crazy" so no need to tell me.

 

That film brought up alot of questions in my mind and made some damn good points, im startin to wonder if it was a 757...I dont think we will ever kno one way or the other. I still say BUSH was in on this whole thing, funny how Haliburton has the drillin rights to Iraq and gas prices keep goin up...Whats the Bush family business again???

 

I dont think your crazy, I think that maybe your imagination might be a little influenced by movies, and Dan Brown books. Are they any sites that explain the illuminati, i would seriously like to learn more.


Yea, Its funny that attacks on Iraqi oil facilities have plumeted over the past months, around the time halliburton hired there "private army." The government oked Halliburtons desicion to hire former KGB, Khamer Rouge, Spetsnaz, SEAL, and Delta in there little army, whose sole purpose is to protect "the interests of the corporation."

 

Anyways im gonna be breif and straight to the point on this. A PLANE CRASHED INTO THE PENTAGON. Reasons why I belive thats true.
-1. I know a fellow security person who was working duty the day it happened. It litterally blew right over him at the post he was working. Ever since then, he has developed PTSD. (post traumatic stress disorder)
-2. On NEWS COVERAGE there was hardly any wreckage. This is true. I also would think that a plane would leave some debris. Maybe a tail, cockpit, wing engine, toilet seat. But the cleanup crews (CE)(LRS) at Andrews AFB could have responded there rather quickly. There is alot of sensitive material there so quick cleanup and securing the facility is a must.
-3. Now say a plane hit the pentagon. This is a reason why it may have not stayed in tact. The pentagon is an 86% TSI/SI clearence required place. Therefore the building integrity is pretty high. The walls have to be so thick for sound proofing purposes. No windows etc etc. Its like the equivellent of a motorcycle hitting a wall at 160+. Think of it this was a car hits a brick wall at 10-20 mph, its gonna get fugged up, but at 120++ mph not much is gonna be left. Pentagon=Brick wall.
-4. Now this theory on bush being behing it. No.... nonononononno NO...
Im sorry but if bush was behind it... never mind .... The man constantly butchers the english language, barely can read his speeches from a telepromter, his brothers named jeb. Thats almost as absurd as thinking the beverly hillbillys was nazi propaganda.
-hes not that smart
-Toby Keith prolly did it anyway
-thats my rant
-Andrew

 

Andrew, Bush himself is not the one alluded to as being behind the planning. Far more capable figures starting with Cheney are the real powerbrokers and decision makers in this admin.

As for your friend, I would remind you that 757 jumbo jets do not just "blow over" people. If it had been a craft of that size, flying as low as the Pentagon's own video image shows (hitting the first level) then your friend would have been dead from the force of the drag itself or at least, by some miracle, deaf for life.

I suggest you truly give some reflection as to just how unmistakable a 757 is in both size and noise before dismissing what you simply do not prefer to believe.

 

Thats where you are wrong, my father works in the White House and is constantly making trips to Andrews. Its more than an hour away. At 9am on a thursday morning, traffic would have been heavy on the beltway, and response units would have taken longer to get there. They would not have airlifted in a cleanup crew, without dedicating all resources and manpower to extinguish the fire and remove all casualties from the buildings beforehand. If a bomb goes off in crowded area, response teams will work on savin lies, not picking up debries.

Second off, I dont think that Bush was behind it, but to deny the posibility of someone else in his cabinet isnt rational. Anything is possible, escpecially when it comes to a coverup. Not every decision goes through Bush, there are things that are Oked by his subordinates. And also, just because bush cant read for shit, does bit mean he isnt smart. He is an intelligent man, regardless of what people like to believe. He made terrible decisions throughout his presidency, YES he did, but he still went to Yale, and a college will not keep you aound if you are "retared." You can say his father had large amounts of pull in that desicion, I fdont disagree, but we all cannot dismiss the fact that he could be behind it based on the fact he isnt a talented speaker.

 

im sorry, but a cruising speed at that altitude (300-500kts) will kinda "blow over." As for noise, he is about deaf. I live on a base with KC135's they are big. and loud... The man i was referring to was an instructor of mine, and half deaf of course. Bombs and guns do that to us too. The planne was flying low but it still came down at an angle. That means at the security perimeters of the pentagon. it was atleast 30-40 meters above the ground there.

And the cleanup thing. I understand that. In my opinion there just was nothing left of the air craft.

In responce to my instructor getting taken with that air craft. Thats bs... me being in the air force, I get a chance to see air shows alot. Eglin AFB the thunderbirds were there, I few others. I was working com and what not. I went on the roof to see the show. Part of the show involved 6 F-16s to fly directly over the building I was on at near mach 1. 6 of them. I was ontop of the building when they did the flyby. They were appx 25-30 meters above my position. I didnt die of fly away. Its all based on aerodynamics. Big planes still have aerodynamics. Thats how they fly.

As to responce units. Your right in a crowded area lives are a priority. But heres where your wrong. In the military, (i know because im in it) sensitive information areas, sensitive resources, takes priority over life. I know thats hard to comprehend, I still have trouble fathoming why i should give up my life for an aircraft if need be. Thats why there are seperate teams that handle the recovery effort. One that looks for the people (LRS, and DOD firefighters) and people that clean up (CE).

 

airforcedrew. do you even know what happened?

the part of the pentagon it hit was not even open yet. it was almost done with renovation. so, um, no sensitive material. also, a boeing is a lot larger than your f-16. and the f-16s were flying much faster. another, there can't be "nothing" left of an aircraft. it wouldnt get hot enough to "melt" everything away. science, good ol boy. and you're right, planes do fly because of aerodynamics. good boy. at least they did teach you something before making you "base janitor".
And if they did clean it up quickly. It's almost impossible. They would have to wait before the fires were out and it was safe to go in. And then there'd be no way they could touch the shit. Imagine how hot it would be. 800 some degrees at least.

 

it makes you think, but after thinkin for a day or so i realized, what bout the people who died on that plane, if it wasnt that plane what happened to the people who "supposedly" died, are their families in on the hoax too???

 

nobody's saying flight 77 didnt go down, and those people arent dead smokey. according to the movie however flight 77 disapperaed off the radar 20 minutes before the pentagon was hit.

 

Do I even know what happend????? Im in the military here.

F16 A1/2


Dimensions: wingspan 32 feet 9 1/2 inches, length 49 feet 3 1/2 inches, height 16 feet 8 1/2 inches, wing area 300 square feet. Weights: 16,285 pounds empty, 25,281 pounds combat, 37,500 pounds maximum takeoff.


heres the 757
Wing span 38.05m (124ft 10in), length 47.32m (155ft 3in), height 13.56m (44ft 6in). Wing area 185.3m2 (1994sq ft).
max take off weight: 99,790kg (220,000lb)

Combined wingspan of 6 F-16's is appx 190ft
combined max take off weight: 225000lbs

I would say thats pretty close to the wingspan and the weight of a 757, so that still makes my comparrison valid. Sure the aerodynamics are different. But. The fact still remains the same. A PLANE CAN FLY OVER YOU AND NOT KILL YOU.

God forbid I submit a valid argument about somthing I know about. Well I guess your right, your 18 you know it all. Just make sure you do some research before you try to call someone out.

As for there being no one in the building, "it was under construction(renovations)." Also, alot was damaged other than the renovated sector. Plus you prolly only know what the media has told you. All sections of the pentagon were operational at that time. (even the renovated sector.) Also contractors that work in the pentagot have their TS clearence. Which means they need a clearence in case they are working in a sensitive area. We in the military still work when renovations are going on. Thats why there were lives lost in the pentagon. Not just on the plane.

 

I think youd better review the comparative dimensions again there Andrew. Your "expertise" seems to lack technical rationale.

A wingspan of 32 feet is considerably and unmistakably shorter than 144 feet by more than 4 times. Additionally, the 757 is considerably longer. If you were the expert you wish us to believe you are, you would also realise there is a considerable maneuverability difference between a fighter and a commercial jumbo jet.

Frankly, you simply demonstrate the same groupthink denial which numerous others before you here have spouted simply because they refuse to believe that our own leaders could do such a thing, as if patriotism were anything more to them than a convenient soundbite to stir the sentiments of the sheep.

All our sophisticated technology, the opportunity, and the agenda of perpetual war (and the massive escalation of budgetary allocations for the MIC that has provided) which has been waiting over a decade for just such a shocking and catastrophic moment as 911 to achieve its inauguration and yet you can believe that a man on dialysis and his cave dwelling cohorts armed with homemade bombs and surplus rocket launchers could have achieved such required militarily precise multiple attacks inside the US from half the world away. The orchestration of the day itself could not have been achieved without the facilities and technologies at the disposal of our own Air Command.

If you are the pilot you claims then I suggest you go and review the testimonies of the flight instructors of the alleged "hijackers" themselves. None of them could fly so much as a piper cub without a trainer present, yet we are to believe that not only did they perform aerial acrobatics with a jumbo jet but managed to fly horizontally mere feet from the ground into the first story (alread well below the height of a 757 even if it were lying flat on the ground) of the Pentagon.

Again, the video image released by the Pentagon itself, unclear as it is, reveals sufficiently that the object in question in no way matched the length and volume of a 757.

As for where the plane went, I might remind you that any agencies involved in such a monstrous betrayal of our nation as 911 would have no qualms about flying the commercial planes off elsewhere and either grounding them or blowing them out of the air away from any possible witness. Operation Northwoods showed how ready our own MIC is to stage just such bait and switch fabrications to further what they term to be "the greater good".

Sorry friend, the groupthink line just doesnt add up and the real shame is that eprsons like yourself would rather ignore the clear signs of a crime and its benefits left free from thorough investigation simply because the mainstream media has willingly helped to reinforce the groupthink mentality.

 

You must not be able to read. I said the COMBINED WINGSPAN. OF 6.

Read the whole thing im sure you can make some sense of it then. I dont get why you all are so hell bent on proving me wrong here. Oh its the video. You must believe the video. If its in the media its gotta be right.... thats sarcasm by the way. I though id clarify that too before you twisted my words around again for me.

By the way I never listen to the media. Im a fact based person. You dont call this propaghandist bullshit media? I mean just becaused somthing isnt mass produced doesnt mean its not media.

 

Id love to know where you get your "facts" if not from the media. The media gets there facts from the millitary and he government. And your comment about us being 18, id love to point out that you are 22. For you to masquerade yourself like some pseudo-intellectual who knows everything about the goverment and current events, mainly because you sweep the floors of airbase, is beyond me. Airplanes leave wreckage, is that simple, theres now ay to deny that, THEY JUST DO. The wreckage went somewhere or it wasnt there in the first place. The photographs clearly prove that the wreckage was not where it was supposed to be.

I have been to andrews at least 10 times, 5 of them for the airshow. When I see the Blue Angels do there fly over at around 280mph, the floor shakes, litterally. People scramble for there ear defenders, and others enclose there ears with there hands. If a 757 going 400mph flew over i95, cars would shake to such an extent they could topple. And the force of such a massive amount of jetfuel would send the cars flying as well.

Its low ranking members of the millitary, that engage in such a mundane proffesions, like you, that annoy me when they think they have seen every last bit of classified data that government has to offer.

 

No shit people need ear protection for air shows. The COM center I was working in were all required to wear them when were outside and a plane is taking off. Sure buildings shake, Thats what noise does. It vibrates.

Anyways... im just gonna ignore this 17 year olds comment, because he obviosly didn't read my whole post. Read my whole post, dont try to discredit me, give me cold hard facts with backed up documentation. I pulled up the schematitics of the aircrafts from Boeing and From an air force website.
Why cant you do the same for me. Heresay is the root of all that is bad. Im florida everyone bought up all the damn gas because some moron thought it'd be a good idea to start a rumor that the state was going on a ration. Rumors=BAD.

And little 17 year old what do you do by the way, and do you have any idea what I do for my job. You dont even know what grade I am, do you.