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Your 22 years old and still in a high school. My theory of you cleaning the floors seems alot more likely now. I read your whole post, found it uninformative and I felt it didnt help anyone else, all it did was annoy people. Id rather not get into one of these online feuds with people, and I dont like holding grudges. So i apologize if I offended you. Were here to discuss the posibilities, not to throw out proffesions and try and seem more knowledgable than the rest. Maybe we should get back on topic.

 

DISCLAIMER:
By the way I have nothing against pot. I like it too, just gotta wait till im outta the military to re-partake in the wonderful smokiness. Damn random drug screenings.

Insulting me doesn't seem to be getting on topic. How am I 22 years old still in high school? You need a degree, preferably a diploma to get in the military. Well maybe your not familuar with that im sure your just one of those normal 15 year old high school drop outs who got their ged and work in a grocery store, and smoke pot all day because that only subdues your boring routine everyday civilian tragedy that you call a life.


Anyway back on point. You seem to be grasping a little too hard on this "a plane didn't hit the pentagon" concept. When in fact one did. Sometimes conspiracies are a good thing. To maybe twart a twisted agenda by the government. But in this case, all it does is put insult to all the families of the people that died in this tragedy. I hope you feel good hiding behind your lies, because that is all you seem to be doing. Maybe its comforting in some twisted way. A french person came up with this theory.... FRENCH. They hate americans right now. Now thats a reputable resource. I heard some great ones by osama how were all the infidels too. Maybe we should listen in on those lies.

 

The only insult to the families and the victims, Andrew, is the continued apologetic made by the head in the sanders like yourself so ready to believe the coverstory because the government says so. Further insult comes in the failure of the supposed "liberal media" to even question any of the multitude of physical impossibilities and glaring falsehoods in the coverstory but content themselves parading endless administration pundits and hangers-on all too ready to give the suit and tie authentication to the fraud.

The facts do not gel and FEMA and the White House have shown just how unaccountable to investigative scrutiny they have chosen to be. Yet I don't see you asking "what are they hiding?".

That day and the precisely orchestrated attacks were in no way the work of far off military surplus-equipped malcontents in caves and certainly not within the capabilities of hijackers who could not even fly so much as a piper cub. THAT official BS is the real "conspiracy theory" and one which has been duly sold to a traumatised and unquestioning nation of media-attuned sheep so repeatedly it has become an integral part of the public psyche and replaced real investigative scrutiny with made-for-tv scripted soundbites.

No 757 hit the Pentagon that day, more rightly a cruise missile made in the good ol USA.

 

Im going to college next year man. I dont want to have to keep coming back to this thread and continue arguing with you. We obviously dont know anything about each other, and I apologize for making such an ignorant comment. My apologies.

 

Could it have been a cruise missile though? Missiles are generally made to explode on impact and take down the object it hit. If a cruise missle hit it, would it not just blow up the side of the building, not penetrate the diffrent layers? do they have armor piercing cruise missles?

 

Do you know anything about the cruise missile. There are a few varieties. I think I know a little about them because I went through the naval school of EOD. (joint training for army marine airforce and navy explosive ordnance disposal teams.) Which also means I know a little about explosives also. In no way could a cruise missile "accidently" hit the pentagon. The Tomahawk cruise missile are one of the most accurate missiles from deasert storm. A laser guided unit can be shot through a 4x4 foot window.

If you think the government is behind it that is the most absurd idea since the pet rock. Why would the government attack the pentagon on the day we were attacked my aircrafts in NYC. "I think the twin towers wasnt a good enough message to get us to fight terrorism... lets blow some of our own shit up."

No no no and no. I know the government is crooked. I work for them. They shit on everyone. But in no way would they attack themselves. There is no motive. Twin towers was a good terrorist motive, so was the pentagon. Hell it showed us "infidels" the way. I guess the media dabbled with cruise missiles and disguised them with holograms, holograms that look like fockin airplanes, hey i got another conspiracy comin here. Maybe you can hide behind that a little longer if it gets you through the day. I just dont see how you people get any comfort by trying to justify these ludicris claims. Claims by someone from a government that doesn't really like our country.

Albert einstein was a smart man, recognised by the world. You know why, credibility. Hitler on the other hand was smart too. Recognised by few, because he killed a bunch of people and thought it was right. No credibility.
Show me some evidence, a motive, and a proper explanation why there is no blast radious. And maybe I will start listening to your ludicris the moon is made out of cheese ideas.

And to thrawn apologies accepted, to beef here. Apologies here to.

About the missile though, it depends on the round it uses. In a guided missile though. TV guided or Laser guided, it usually explades a few miliseconds after impact. Non nuke so its explosive no implosive. If one hit the pentagon it would send debris for a good distance. If it was a laser guided bomb, Minuteman or Moab. There would be a massive crater with everything shoved to the outside of the crater and to the inside. If either one of those hit the pentagon there would be nothing left of those.

Im not supporting the claim of a missile or bomb, but if one did hit it would be an ATG missile with a 400-750lb payload based on the damage.

 

If your not going to discuss peoples theorys and give them that "oh so vaulable" insight that you withold, maybe you shouldnt post. You have the advantage of being in the millitary, so why dont you try to educate us on somethings that we dont know as much about. If you wanted to know about growing pot, Id help you in a second! So educate us, without being a jackass!

 

I still don't understand why you're trying to comapre the sounds of 6 figters to 1 large commercial jet. About the cars, the force generated by 6 jets will not be the same as 1 larger jet. And you said before you stood right below where these jets flew by and were fine, then admitted that the noise is basically deafening.
Bottom line is, you would definitly FEEL a Boeing flying 500 mph, that was only a few feet above you. You have to agree with this, especially when you can feel 6 blue angels flying however high they are, because we all know they don't fly a few feet above the crowd, or even above the crowd. Those people should be deaf if nothing else in those cars.

Anyways, you are not providing any rock solid evidence either, drew, so by trying to call us all dumb, then make yourself look like God is just making yourself look worse than us.

And my final word on your blissful ignorance: I also live in Florida. Do you know WHY gas was hard to get? Remember those 2 hurricanes that came through? If power was out after those hurricanes, we wouldnt be able to GET GAS. Which is WHY people were trying to STOCK UP before they wernt able to get it. It was NOTHING about rations. If that storm was as bad as it was supposed to be, power couldve been out for up to a month in some places. Man you annoy me. How can you claim to live here and not know anything about whats going on? Did you even know a hurricane came through? Another one is coming BTW.

 

no shit sherlock. ive been on the hurricane rideout team at Macdill AFB for the past 3 weekends. I was saying that rumors of rationing was sending people into a panic. Yeah im gonna be on the rideout team for this one too, I know a bit about living in florida, especially the bay area. It floods all the damn time. Noaa is here on my base, they have choppers and planes here.

Anyway back to the subject. This whole thing got started when I said I had a friend who was posted at the pentagon when the plane hit. It litterly blew over him. I wasnt saying people couldn't have heard it or felt it. Acctually im saying that people had to hear or feel it. But its not in the news. Prolly because not everyone thought it was neccessary to say they felt it fly over.

I dont think it was a missile because i believe it would have done alot more damage and left a more definate signature. What the government has said about it isnt classified. A 757 nailed the pentagon. I think if another country did hit us with a missile it also would be less of an insult to say a missle hit us then one of our own planes. Thats my opinion. Opinion thats all im stating here. Isnt opinion what these boards are all about, you know that freedom thing we have over here.

 

I belive that the video is right but a nerd can make a flash video in his basement in like 2 days just like that

 

You know what fuck it... I think a UFO hit the pentagon.

 

yay! now we're thinking together!

i agree. we'll never know for certain either way. only what they tell us.

*offers peace pipe to all*

 

I'm confused. . . They went around and confiscated all these tapes of the crash to keep them from the public eye, but they let the pentagon's own security camera footage out? I guess this really has nothing to do with whether it was a plane or not, but I'm just confused. I would think that security camera's footage would be the easiest to hide.

 

its crazy becuase if you look at the footage, its about 3 frames. and the frames missing are the ones that show the whole plane. kinda wierd if you ask me. im glad this got resolved btw.

 

i know, its confusing me too. im thinking its not real pentagon footage.
but, either way, lol, we'll never know for sure.

 

Jeez, its gonna take a brit to sort you all out is it?

First off - the plane itself

Ok - a 757 is NOT a jumbo jet, its a medium sized/range airliner, considerably smaller than a widebodied long range 767 and therefore carries less fuel, so it would most definately have created a smaller explosion than the WTC impacts, and a smaller impact zone.

757's are fitted with basic jet engines, air goes in, is heated, hot air comes out and the plane gets pushed along - along with silencers etc these engines are pretty quiet.
An F16 jet engine works in much the same way, but with 1 major difference - it is fitted with an afterburner, this ignites fuel into the airmass coming out of the engine superheating the air and giving more thrust, it also makes a shitload more noise.

These things are made of pretty flimsy materials (they are strong in flight, but they crumple pretty bad when they collide with something), crash them into reinforced concrete at speeds upwards of 250 mph and there is not going to be a hell of a lot left.

But - some of it was left...



Thats most definately debris from an American Airlines jet, the livery is quite clear.

The black boxes were found at the site, and the fact that usable information was not retrievable means precisely nothing with regards to a conspiracy, check out some Air Accident reports and you'll see that data from these recorders is often missing, usually because its been overwritten on a looping tape.



See that lampost and the car crossways on the road directly across from the pentagon? Guess how they got there.

Face it, a 757 crashed into the Pentagon, now there may well be other more interesting consipracies surrounding 9/11, but this one is not a goer.

I could go and on and on, but i don't really see the point. Anyone who can't accept that it happened is just looking for conspiracies where none exist and will never be persuaded, no matter what the evidence.

 

Sorry to double post, but the security camera takes 1 or 2 frames a second at most, its an unfortunate coincidence that it missed the actual collision, but nothing more than that.

 

Notice the other lamppost along the edge of the lawn to the right of the car which shouldnt be standing if the 757, given its wingspan, was flying (under the control of a hijacker who couldnt fly so much as a piper cub) as low as required to hit the first floor. Notice no tumbled concrete barriers pieces?

Once again, conveniently placed metallic objects easily painted with similar colours to the UA logo are hardly conclusive evidence and certainly not beyond quite plausible planting for the handy photo op.

Just more refusal to examine the whole agenda at work here. Dismissal is so much easier, I realise.

 

Do you know the wingspan of a 757? Do you know how far apart those lights are placed? No - and neither do i. But the point is, if i could be bothered i'd go and find out, and present that evidence. But even with that (and i'm sure it exists), you'd still claim something else.

Theres also the possibility (in fact, i think its been proven somewhere that the plane was at an angle on collision, so i'd say its quite likely), that the plane was turning when it clipped the first lamppost, in that case one wing would be higher than the other and would pass over the top of the remaining lamp post.

Why would there be tumbled concrete barrier pieces? They are designed to withstand collision with a fast moving vehicle, why would they move because a plane flew over at low altitute?

You are the dismissive one, you won't even enterain the possibility that you are being told the truth about this incident, that a plane did in fact crash into the pentagon. I'm looking at the evidence presented and putting a picture together.

I'm not exactly sure what you are doing.

You did however hit on a valid point, possibly a basis for conspiracy - how did a pilot with rudimentary training crash a 757 so precisely into the pentagon?

 

Yes friend, the wingspan of a 757 is 124 feet, which, if you consider the angle of entry and the shown car and lampost (damaged on the left, drivers side and thus by the left wing or engine of the plane - requiring a flight elevation so low as to certainly rip the barriers out of place upon overflight, simple logic for those who actually exercise their brains), would indeed have caught the right hand lamp post if it was a 757 (which it wasnt).

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/2001/pentagon/boeingspec.html

Moreover, a 757's engines are beneath the wings which would mean that even sitting flat on the ground the height of a 757 (without landing gear extended) would already be up to the second floor. This was not the case and certainly, again, could not be the case given the lack of capability of the alleged pilot (which alone forces the call once again for A TRULY PUBLIC INVESTIGATION WITH UNLIMITED SCOPE AND ACCESS TO ALL RECORDS.

Why this call is constantly met with continued attack and excuses by the head-in-the-sanders is the most astounding facet of this discussion.

We can argue till the cows come home and you can dismiss the glaring inconsistencies all you wish, but no accountability will ever be had if we do not as a nation confront those who have done nothing but confiscate and classify potentially damning evidence behind the routine smokescreen of "national security" with a real publicly scrutinised investigation. To date, all we've had is handpicked charades of "enquiries" on both sides of the Atlantic.