shoes thrown at Bush

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by shaggie, Dec 14, 2008.

  1. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/dictators/saddam-hussein/

    I believe Saddam Hussein constitutes as a terrorist if you consider the people that he had ordered murdered in any of the wars he started,

    1959 Saddam Hussein attempts to assassinate the Prime Minister of Iraq.

    25 Feb 1960 Saddam Hussein sentenced to death for attempting to assassinate the Prime Minister.

    16 Jul 1979 Saddam Hussein elected President of Iraq.

    4 Sep 1980 Iraq declares war on Iran to seize oil reserves.

    2 Aug 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait.
     
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    ODDJOB thats who.. :)
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  3. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Well thanks for all the facts you stated...

    And I agree with you I probably don't have a clue I'm not a political analyst but from this brief discussion we are having I can kinda tell that you don't either.
     
  4. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    oh come then by that logic bush is a terrorist number 1 and you said "terrorists" plural number 2 .

    where is your evidence? you have none just like bush had none..
     
  5. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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  6. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    i dont see anyone hanging bush. i cant quite grasp your double standard..

    so its ok to commit war crimes or as you have now labeled it "be a terrorist"as long as your going to execute someone else who committed war crimes "was a terrorist"at some point in time?
     
  7. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    I'm not rooting on the President here as you obviously assumed I was.

    Invading Iraq created MORE hostility among terrorists groups?

    I believe what REALLY roused them was the first war with Iraq, you remember the OTHER war with them we decided to cut and run from?

    We did not invaded Iraq simply to disarm them, that was just another reason to invade.

    The harboring of terrorists in Iraq has been known of for sometime, You do remember what happened last time we let a foreign country harbor terrorists right? (something to do with September)

    I get the feeling your the type of person who thinks just because someone can see reasons to invade Iraq (Supports religious extremism says the U.S is a satanic power) they are on the presidents side, you are very mistaken.

    Almost all U.S presidents should be put on trial for crimes against humanity some just cover it better than others.

    I truly hope your not someone who thinks Obama or any elected official is going to change the world.
     
  8. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    He's been dead for two years. You seem to be having some problems with English. Go ahead, speak Farsi, I'll translate.

    You know you want to...
     
  9. HushBull

    HushBull Insuperior

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    Ahh, too bad Reid's patent for shoe bombs never took off.
     
  10. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Excuse me?
     
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    nesta Banned

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  12. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    there you go again.. where is your proof?? show me evidence that iraq harbored terrorists...
     
  13. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Saddam Hussein WAS a terrorist.
     
  14. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    no he was a dictator that we installed and armed by the united states,who committed war crimes at first with our blessings (iran) and then without our blessings so we imposed sanctions at first which killed millions of innocent people then we invaded and occupied killing millions more because he didnt have our blessings anymore.

    i dont consider Saddam a terrorist any more than i do bush. your skewing things for your own justification of a senseless war.
     
  15. fitzy21

    fitzy21 Worst RT Mod EVAH!!!!

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    terrorist/terrorism is being thrown around way too loosely for it to have any clear meaning behind it
     
  16. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Does this make someone a terrorist?

    http://civilliberty.about.com/od/internationalhumanrights/p/saddam_hussein.htm

    I posted the link where this came from once but I guess nobody bothered to read it so I'll copy and paste it.

    "Political Oppression: Hussein openly idolized the former Soviet premier Joseph Stalin, a man notable as much for his paranoia-induced execution sprees as anything else. In July 1978, he had his government issue a memorandum decreeing that anyone whose ideas came into conflict with those of the Baath Party leadership would be subject to summary execution. Most, but certainly not all, of Hussein's targets were ethnic Kurds and Shiite Muslims.

    Ethnic Cleansing: The two dominant ethnicities of Iraq have traditionally been Arabs in south and central Iraq, and Kurds in the north and northeast, particularly along the Iranian border. Hussein long viewed ethnic Kurds as a long-term threat to Iraq's survival, and the oppression and extermination of the Kurds was one of his administration's highest priorities.

    Religious Persecution: The Baath Party was dominated by Sunni Muslims, who made up only about one-third of Iraq's general population; the other two-thirds was made up of Shiite Muslims, Shiism also happening to be the official religion of Iran. Throughout Hussein's tenure, and especially during the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988), he saw the marginalization and eventual elimination of Shiism as a necessary goal in the Arabization process, by which Iraq would purge itself of all perceived Iranian influence.

    The Dujail Massacre of 1982: In July of 1982, several Shiite militants attempted to assassinate Saddam Hussein while he was riding through the city. Hussein responded by ordering the slaughter of some 148 residents, including dozens of children. This is the only war crime on which Hussein has been charged, and he will almost certainly be executed before any other charges go to trial.

    The Barzani Clan Abductions of 1983: Masoud Barzani led the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), an ethnic Kurdish revolutionary group fighting Baathist oppression. After Barzani cast his lot with the Iranians in the Iran-Iraq War, Hussein had some 8,000 members of Barzani's clan, including hundreds of women and children, abducted. It is assumed that most were slaughtered; thousands have been discovered in mass graves in southern Iraq.

    The al-Anfal Campaign: The worst human rights abuses of Hussein's tenure took place during the genocidal al-Anfal Campaign (1986-1989), in which Hussein's administration called for the extermination of every living thing--human or animal--in certain regions of the Kurdish north. All told, some 182,000 people--men, women, and children--were slaughtered, many through use of chemical weapons. The Halabja poison gas massacre of 1988 alone killed over 5,000 people. Hussein later blamed the attacks on the Iranians, and the Reagan administration, which supported Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War, helped promote this cover story.

    The Campaign Against the Marsh Arabs: Hussein did not limit his genocide to identifiably Kurdish groups; he also targeted the predominantly Shiite Marsh Arabs of southeastern Iraq, the direct descendants of the ancient Mesopotamians. By destroying more than 95% of the region's marshes, he effectively depleted its food supply and destroyed the entire millennia-old culture, reducing the number of Marsh Arabs from 250,000 to approximately 30,000. It is unknown how much of this population drop can be attributed to direct starvation and how much to migration, but the human cost was unquestionably high.

    The Post-Uprising Massacres of 1991: In the aftermath of Operation Desert Storm, the United States encouraged Kurds and Shiites to rebel against Hussein's regime--then withdrew and refused to support them, leaving an unknown number to be slaughtered. At one point, Hussein's regime killed as many as 2,000 suspected Kurdish rebels every day. Some two million Kurds hazarded the dangerous trek through the mountains to Iran and Turkey, hundreds of thousands dying in the process."
     
  17. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    no it makes him a dictator masquerading as a president who committed war crimes and crimes against humanity by giving orders for atrocities to be committed by his minions...
     
  18. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Then what do you consider a "terrorist"?
     
  19. fitzy21

    fitzy21 Worst RT Mod EVAH!!!!

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    i call that survival of the fittest
     
  20. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    ted kazenski.
     

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