shoes thrown at Bush

I'm going to go out on a limb and say your a person who cannot see a reason why the U.S government would invade Iraq.

By the way the Iraq government was harboring terrorists who committed crimes against humanity.

 

That’s the stupidest thing anyone on this board has ever said; congratulations :cheers2:

Now after the invasion; Iraq is the hub of terrorist activity in the Middle East


Hotwater

 

What country isn't harbouring terrorists these days.

I know why America invaded Iraq, same reason that everyone else knows. OIL.

Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction, he was a ****, but he wasn't threatening the stability of the region. America and Britain did that for him.

Do you know the UK is pulling the last of it's troops out next year. Why? I'll tell you why, because we can't fucking afford it anymore, our country is practically bankrupt all because of this stupid war, and what do we get from America in return for out allegiance, fuck all, that's what.

We don't even have the resources to pull our troops out half the time when they are wounded. Where are the American helicopters when that happens?

 

yuck yuck yuck.. ;p

 

That was a famous line that Bush popped off at Kerry in the 2004 debates when Kerry mentioned some of the coalition countries but forgot to mention Poland.

"What about Poland?!"



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I'm not rooting on the U.S government here as you obviously assumed I was.

Invading Iraq created MORE hostility among terrorists groups?

I believe what REALLY roused them was the first war with Iraq, you remember the OTHER war with them we decided to cut and run from?

We did not invaded Iraq simply to disarm them, that was just another reason to invade.

The harboring of terrorists in Iraq has been known of for sometime, You do remember what happened last time we let a foreign country harbor terrorists right? (something to do with September)

I get the feeling your the type of person who thinks just because someone can see reasons to invade Iraq (Supports religious extremism says the U.S is a satanic power) they are on the presidents side, you are very mistaken.

Almost all U.S presidents should be put on trial for crimes against humanity some just cover it better than others.

I truly hope your not someone who thinks Obama or any elected official is going to change the world.

 

I'm not rooting on the President here as you obviously assumed I was.

Invading Iraq created MORE hostility among terrorists groups?

I believe what REALLY roused them was the first war with Iraq, you remember the OTHER war with them we decided to cut and run from?

We did not invaded Iraq simply to disarm them, that was just another reason to invade.

The harboring of terrorists in Iraq has been known of for sometime, You do remember what happened last time we let a foreign country harbor terrorists right? (something to do with September)

I get the feeling your the type of person who thinks just because someone can see reasons to invade Iraq (Supports religious extremism says the U.S is a satanic power) they are on the presidents side, you are very mistaken.

Almost all U.S presidents should be put on trial for crimes against humanity some just cover it better than others.

I truly hope your not someone who thinks Obama or any elected official is going to change the world.

 

No I got the impression you supported the invasion of Iraq, nothing to do with your opinion of Bush, although of course he is the main perpetrator this war crime.

Actually I think all this dates back long before Bush seniors war...

So Iraq harbored the terrorists who attacked the WTC in 2001 you say, I was under the impression that they were living in America long before this, what terrorists were hiding in Iraq before the invasion? Obviously some, but any more than any other country?

Clearly the military didn't have the intelligence as to who or where these evil people were, which is why about 100,000 innocent civilians had to be sacrificed.

 

That was meant to say government not president I copied it from somewhere else I posted.

I'm not saying that the terrorists from September 11 came from Iraq or Afghanistan, I'm saying Iraq harbors terrorists.

Although they sold the idea of this war as a "war on terror" it is not simply a war to get rid of the terrorists who perpetrated 9/11 it's an attempt to destroy a dangerous ideology "religious extremism".

It comes off almost as if you believe we invaded Iraq to get al Qaeda, and that isn't the case.

That's why the U.S government invaded Afghanistan not Iraq.

Iraq was "sold" to the American citizens through W.M.D's (a false pretense)

This is a possible reason why so much money is spent on oppressed people you will never meet, so they can take YOUR place on a battlefield someday.

The owners of this country know that just like any informed citizen of the United States knows (However few and far between they are)
Al- Qeada and MANY other terrorists groups are enabled and embedded all through out the middle east.

This is why so much "money" is spent trying to "help" poor people in backwards countries.

You can't go to "war" against terror.

In the next 40 years religious extremism will possibly be gone from the middle east(If the U.S don't cut out and let fanatical tyrants continue to rule there) and in its place will be something just as corrosive to free thought, American commercialism.(But at least people won't be willing to die for Mcdonalds)

And if China hasn't declared formal war on the United States by then (Probably already would have) the United States will declare war on China.

And the U.S can use it's brand new "friends" they made in the middle east to do the brunt of the fighting.

And the U.S will give them lots of shiny new weapons to "protect there country with" or more realistically kill who we need them to kill after we convince them war with the enemies of "freedom" would be in there best interest.

If we "won" Vietnam through commercialism in this way in the 1970's it would be well armed Vietnamese kids doing to grunt work of fighting in the middle east today, and your average American would not care in the least. It's not until there relatives are sent to die in a war that "the cost of human life becomes to much".

As long as there is human greed and superstition there will be war.

If people are going to kill and die for wars that are staged on semi-false pretenses (as they almost ALWAYS are) at least try to look on the side of the dog shit the sun is shining on.

Its not like anyone really has a say in who the owners of nations decide to kill for profit.

 

If you think genocide is the appropriate action to rid the world of religious extremism, then I will be forced to agree with your chosen sub-title.

 

When the hell did I say genocide was an appropriate way to get rid of religious extremism?

I believe I said American commercialism was going to eventually take it's place.

After all Saddam Hussein has been responsible for more Iraqi deaths than the U.S government ever was.


Political Oppression: Hussein openly idolized the former Soviet premier Joseph Stalin, a man notable as much for his paranoia-induced execution sprees as anything else. In July 1978, he had his government issue a memorandum decreeing that anyone whose ideas came into conflict with those of the Baath Party leadership would be subject to summary execution. Most, but certainly not all, of Hussein's targets were ethnic Kurds and Shiite Muslims.
Ethnic Cleansing:

The two dominant ethnicities of Iraq have traditionally been Arabs in south and central Iraq, and Kurds in the north and northeast, particularly along the Iranian border. Hussein long viewed ethnic Kurds as a long-term threat to Iraq's survival, and the oppression and extermination of the Kurds was one of his administration's highest priorities.

Religious Persecution: The Baath Party was dominated by Sunni Muslims, who made up only about one-third of Iraq's general population; the other two-thirds was made up of Shiite Muslims, Shiism also happening to be the official religion of Iran. Throughout Hussein's tenure, and especially during the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988), he saw the marginalization and eventual elimination of Shiism as a necessary goal in the Arabization process, by which Iraq would purge itself of all perceived Iranian influence.

The Dujail Massacre of 1982: In July of 1982, several Shiite militants attempted to assassinate Saddam Hussein while he was riding through the city. Hussein responded by ordering the slaughter of some 148 residents, including dozens of children. This is the only war crime on which Hussein has been charged, and he will almost certainly be executed before any other charges go to trial.

The Barzani Clan Abductions of 1983: Masoud Barzani led the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), an ethnic Kurdish revolutionary group fighting Baathist oppression. After Barzani cast his lot with the Iranians in the Iran-Iraq War, Hussein had some 8,000 members of Barzani's clan, including hundreds of women and children, abducted. It is assumed that most were slaughtered; thousands have been discovered in mass graves in southern Iraq.
The al-Anfal Campaign: The worst human rights abuses of Hussein's tenure took place during the genocidal al-Anfal Campaign (1986-1989), in which Hussein's administration called for the extermination of every living thing--human or animal--in certain regions of the Kurdish north. All told, some 182,000 people--men, women, and children--were slaughtered, many through use of chemical weapons. The Halabja poison gas massacre of 1988 alone killed over 5,000 people. Hussein later blamed the attacks on the Iranians, and the Reagan administration, which supported Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War, helped promote this cover story.

The Campaign Against the Marsh Arabs: Hussein did not limit his genocide to identifiably Kurdish groups; he also targeted the predominantly Shiite Marsh Arabs of southeastern Iraq, the direct descendants of the ancient Mesopotamians. By destroying more than 95% of the region's marshes, he effectively depleted its food supply and destroyed the entire millennia-old culture, reducing the number of Marsh Arabs from 250,000 to approximately 30,000. It is unknown how much of this population drop can be attributed to direct starvation and how much to migration, but the human cost was unquestionably high.

The Post-Uprising Massacres of 1991: In the aftermath of Operation Desert Storm, the United States encouraged Kurds and Shiites to rebel against Hussein's regime--then withdrew and refused to support them, leaving an unknown number to be slaughtered. At one point, Hussein's regime killed as many as 2,000 suspected Kurdish rebels every day. Some two million Kurds hazarded the dangerous trek through the mountains to Iran and Turkey, hundreds of thousands dying in the process.


http://civilliberty.about.com/od/internationalhumanrights/p/saddam_hussein.htm

 

What would you call the Iraq war? What exactly are your reasons for supporting it? Are you denying that so many innocent people, way more than 911, have lost their lives in this mess?

 

Who was it who installed Hussein regime again...?

 

I'm saying that many very poor Iraqi Muslims were being slaughtered by a heartless dictator long before the U.S government intervened.

You did read the link or at least the list of crimes against humanity I posted right?

 

I'm not supporting the U.S government .

 

Again, who trained Saddam's army?

 

Saddam took over the Iraq military, they were a standing army when he came into power.

28 Apr 1937 Saddam Hussein born, Tikrit, Iraq.

1956 Joins Baath Socialist Party.

1959 Saddam Hussein attempts to assassinate the Prime Minister of Iraq.

25 Feb 1960 Saddam Hussein sentenced to death for attempting to
assassinate the Prime Minister.

16 Jul 1979 Saddam Hussein elected President of Iraq.

4 Sep 1980 Iraq declares war on Iran to seize oil reserves.

20 Dec 1983 Saddam Hussein meets personally with Donald Rumsfeld, shakes his hand.

1984 According to statistics furnished by the White House, a total of 4,000 Iraqis are summarily executed at Abu Ghraib on orders of Saddam Hussein.

2 Aug 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait.

7 Aug 1990 Operation Desert Shield commences.

23 Aug 1990 Saddam Hussein appears on television with 15 British citizens held captive in Iraq, including a 5-year-old boy named Stuart Lockwood.

16 Jan 1991 Operation Desert Storm commences with the aerial bombardment of Iraq.

17 Feb 1998 During a speech at the Pentagon, President Bill Clinton declares: "In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers, or organized criminals, who travel the world among us unnoticed. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity -- even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program. But if we act as one, we can safeguard our interests and send a clear message to every would-be tyrant and terrorist."
Feb-Mar 2000 According to statistics furnished by the White House, a total of 120 Iraqi political prisoners are executed at Abu Ghraib on orders of Saddam Hussein.

16 Dec 2000 Secretary of State nominee Colin Powell declares: "Saddam Hussein is sitting on a failed regime that is not going to be around in a few years' time."

16 Feb 2001 On his television show The O'Reilly Factor, Bill O'Reilly declares: "You know, I don't take Saddam Hussein all that seriously anymore as far as a world threat. Maybe I'm wrong and naive here. Should we be very frightened of this guy?"

17 Sep 2001 On his television show The O'Reilly Factor, Bill O'Reilly urges immediate bombing strikes against Iraq: "Their infrastructure must be destroyed and the population made to endure yet another round of intense pain... Maybe then the people there will finally overthrow Saddam."
Oct 2001 According to statistics furnished by the White House, 23 Iraqi political prisoners are executed at Abu Ghraib on orders of Saddam Hussein.

14 Oct 2002 During a speech in Dearborn, Michigan, President George W Bush declares that Saddam Hussein maintains active ties to al Qaeda: "This is a man that we know has had connections with al Qaeda. This is a man who, in my judgment, would like to use al Qaeda as a forward army."

7 Nov 2002 During a press conference, President George W Bush declares: "Some people say, 'Oh, we must leave Saddam alone, otherwise, if we did something against him, he might attack us.' Well, if we don't do something he might attack us, and he might attack us with a more serious weapon. The man is a threat... He's a threat because he is dealing with al Qaeda... And we're going to deal with him."

19 Mar 2003 Operation Iraqi Freedom commences, with an airborne attack by the U.S.

9 Apr 2003 Statue of Saddam Hussein in Baghdad toppled by U.S. troops, and then beaten with sandals.

17 Sep 2003 President George W Bush: "No, we've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th."

14 Dec 2003 The 4th Infantry Division of American Special Forces captures Saddam Hussein, who for months has been hiding out in a spider hole outside a dingy, mud-brick hut 10 miles south of Tikrit.

17 Jun 2004 President Bush reiterates: "The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda. This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al Qaeda. We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. For example, Iraqi intelligence officers met with bin Laden, the head of al Qaeda, in the Sudan. There's numerous contacts between the two."

30 Dec 2006 Saddam Hussein is executed by hanging inside an enclosed room, in the Green Zone, Baghdad.

From rotten.com

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/dictators/saddam-hussein/

 

Rotten.com sure loves to promote conspiracy theories.

They also have a sardonic tone of voice.

excerpt:

"U.S. care packages to Saddam included sample strains of anthrax and bubonic plague, which must have seemed like a really fucking great idea to someone at the time. With U.S. assistance and on its own initiative, Iraq also reportedly developed new and improved toxins, such as ricin and sarin gas.

Torture was another tool in the Iraqi dictator's arsenal. When interviewed by a British reporter who nervously asked him if he used torture against his political enemies, he seemed puzzled by the question. "Of course," he said. "What do you expect if they oppose the regime?"

Public sentiment in the U.S. slowly turned against Hussein into the early 1990s, what with all the gassing and killing and torture and whatnot, but policy sagged behind. Seeing the secular Iraq as a bulwark against the Islamic fundamentalists in Iran, the U.S. kept right on kissing Saddam's ass until he decided to invade Kuwait in 1991.

At that point, the gloves came off. It's one thing to slaughter your own people in genocidal attacks with outlawed weapons, but it's another thing entirely to screw with the steady output of black gold, the life's blood of the world. President Bush Sr. successfully united a coalition of nations and led an invasion that drove Iraq out of Kuwait and destroyed much of the country's infrastructure."

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In my opinion it is a VERY important website.

 

I think the line between sarcasm and fact is very apparent to anyone who reads the articles from rotten.