shooting animals for sport and food

And therin lies the problem: Why should mankind ever take responsibilty for it's own actions, when it's always other species who have to suffer the consequences of them? Man never learns from the mistakes of the past, this has been proven time and time again over the centuries. Which is the whole point. When it's other animals who have to suffer for the mistakes of mankind, why should humans ever take responsibility for the destruction they've caused to the planet?

And the sad fact is, the only time that responsibility will ever be taken, is when the consequences start seriously affecting humans directly. And by that time, it'll be too late to undo all the damage they've caused.

 

Explain my existence, foo


Anyway, playing the 'blame game' isn't really helpful to any extent when it comes down to the complexity that exists in the biosphere. Species change, species die, it's how it's always going to work.

I'm pretty much always going to support Humans surviving in the end.

 

i don't have a problem with hunters or non-hunters. i've been both. it's ignorance and misunderstanding that's the problem. i have both too.

 

Hunter and meat eater checking in.

 

how do you want mankind to take responsibility for its actions beyond dealing with the consequences of them? should we just sit here and say "well, we fucked up the ecosystem so it's all over now?"

sure, i'd love it if people were better at learning from the past. it's not always other species that suffer from this inability, often enough mankind screws itself over too. either way, dealing with the consequences is more urgent, if not more important, than assigning blame.

 

One day, mankind will be saying just that, believe me. It will reach a point where the damage is so great, we will not be in a position to do anything about it. It may take decades, hundreds, maybe even thousands of years, but one day it will happen.

Wrong. Until mankind starts taking responsibility for it's own actions, this vicious cycle will just keep continuing on and on, and the situation will gradually get worse and worse. I'm not "assigning blame" on mankind by saying they've caused more destruction than any other species, I'm simply stating a cold, hard fact. As long as other species of animals are seen as lesser (which will probably always be the case), this is a problem that will never end. If this attitude does not change, one day nature will come back and bite us in the backside, and then we'll know all about it.

 

Only then can we travel back in time?

 

Eh, what? I'm talking about the future, because the mistakes of the past will continue to be made. Unless you honestly believe that mankind has caused all the destruction on the planet it's ever going to. And you'd have to be pretty stupid, or have your head stuck in the sand to believe that.

 

I kind of agree with some of what invisible soul is saying. However I don't see how it is relevant to hunting deer. It's almost as If he/she wants us all to let the deer population die, because it's our predecessors that killed all the wolves. I don't see the logic. Owning up to the fact that they shouldn't have killed the wolves, isn't going to change the fact that we have a different problem today.

 

My point is you can't change what has been done, and as long as we exist we will continue to interact with out environment.

 

No, but you can change the future. My point is, this is very unlikely to happen until we are the species that are under serious threat, and by then it'll be too late to change anything. It's one thing to interact with our envoirenment, it's quite another to abuse it. Which is what we've been doing for many centuries, and I can't see that ever changing. If mankind hasn't learned from the past after all this time, it's probably never going to.

 

You know you're in a thread about hunting, right?

 

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that we should learn from the mistakes that caused this problem, and similar ones like it. My whole point is, with our track record, this isn't very likely to happen.

 

We have learned how to manipulate our environment, and it is a wonderful thing.

This thread:

 

I'm confused. What is it that you want us to learn? What do you suggest we do instead of hunt deer?

 

And I said I had no problem with it, as long as it wasn't for "sport" or "fun". Also, I wasn't the one who started the sub-topic about the control of the deer population, I'm only contributing my own views to that point being made. Where did it say that only pro-hunting views were welcome in this thread?

 

you kill it, you eat it, needs to be the LAW.

 

Your views don't have anything to do with deer population as far as I can see. There are laws in place regulating every type of hunting out there. We have learned from those mistakes, and you can be imprisoned and lose your right to hunt if you break those laws.

 

Confused, how? Learn from the mistakes that lead to the current situation where deer have to be killed to keep the population down. I fail to see what's confusing about that. Killing maybe the answer to this problem, but it was also killing that started the problem in the first place. That is what should be learned from.

 

Then you are only reading what you want into what I'm saying. My views have everything to do with it. The deer population issue is just a symptom of the wider overall problem.