Should Acid Be Legalized?

Ya I've seen the destructive qualities of drugs too and your totally right! they can be extremely negative and can create horrible problems, so I understand where you're coming from. All I'm saying though is that thinking "drugs do nothing good for people" is false because they can.

Also, while I know what you mean that doing drugs can be a 'slippery slope' with certain people, there are lots of other underlying societal, economical and psychological problems that lead people into 'harder' drugs. If there weren't these more risky drugs they'd all be alcoholics anyways most likely. Of course a heroin addiction is a different kettle of fish then an alcohol addiction but my point remains the same. Acid isn't a drug a person who 'just wants to get fucked up' is going to do a lot! Most likely if a more 'physical pleasure seeking' type person does acid they may not even want to do it again. So I wouldn't lump it in on this 'slippery slope' to crack smoking because its very unrealistic. This debate, however, isn't about legalizing or de-criminalizing all drugs, just LSD and possibly other psychedelics, which aren't comparable at all to meth, coke or heroin.

Beyond the effects of LSD, even its distribution system is different. When you buy acid you're most likely not supporting drug cartels or gangs as is the case sometimes when buying other types of drugs. Instead most acid comes from hippie chemists in the west coast/rockies of canada and the states. Gangs and cartels aren't even going to waste their time producing acid... its not addictive physically and very low psychologically. There's no money in it for them so they go with expensive addictive life destroying drugs.

 

If Cannabis is legalized, so should serotonergic psychedelics. If you actually research the way Cannabis works on a cellular, neuronal level, you will realize that it is in a quite more "Fucked up" mechanism than these psychedelics.

 

Crack has nothing to do with LSD. Heroin has nothing to do with LSD.

You don't seem to have any fucking clue what LSD is.

"not enough" is not a phrase that applies to anyone who takes heroin after LSD. "too much too soon" is more like it.

You should look up the number of people to die from LSD last year. Or from pot last year. Or from peyote last year. Or from mushrooms last year. Or from MDMA last year. Or from 2C-x last year. Or from DOx last year. Or from Salvia divinorum last year. Or from DMT last year. Or from analogs of any of the above chemicals or classes.

And then you should look up the number of people to die from aspirin last year.

And then you should look up the number of people to die from heart attacks last year.

Should we outlaw mcdonalds? A big mac is a lot more dangerous and damaging than a hit of acid, and any body of any age can purchase it. The answer isn't to outlaw big macs, it's to force disclosure of this information in it's labeling, and to fund public awareness and outreach campaigns about health in general, educating people about health risks as diverse as LSD and big macs.

And even if LSD was horrible, making it a crime to possess it would not help ANYBODY, it would only hurt the people that you claim are already hurting themselves.

I totally agree, suicide is very like suicide, in that people who commit suicide don't really think of how the people they leave behind will deal and cope with their suicide. Now any time you'd like to stop talking about suicide, maybe we can get back to talking about how you're wrong about LSD. Maybe you can make a thread specifically about how much like suicide suicide has the capacity to be.

 

lsd is really special, and if used in the right way is fuckin awesome, but if somebody just wants to trip and its her or his choice, they should be able to... the world is just one big illusion of freedom, so internal freedom doesn't actually exist to some degree...

 

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maybe pick up a book called 'the politics of ecstasy' by timothy leary before you start ratting on shit you apparently know little to nothing about... crack and coke arent even on the same plane as acid man!!! i dont know what you do with your acid, but a lot of people use them to expand their conscioussness and more... and nobody asked to make coke and crack legal... they asked LSD... and they are not similar whatsoever... different outcome, different everything.... try reading 'the doors of perception by aldous huxley... lsd, acid, etc. is often times perceived and used as a cleansing of perception "If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite."- blake

 

I don't think LSD should be legalized. When I see how irresponsible people are with simple things like weed and alcohol...hell, even caffeine...it makes me think that no psychedelic should ever be legalized.

 

the quote is actually from william blake

 

haha i edited it... thanks

what happens when i act like i know it all i suppose :sunny:

 

You ever see how irresponsible people are when driving, Do you think we should make driving illegal?

 

I should be used responsibly in clinics like MAPS is trying. They want LSD-25 legal and it would benefit everyone. I feel it could be used without prescription status. I just hope it comes together.

 

Do you really believe everyone who has had LSD in their possession should have gone to jail and have their future and family ruined? That's what is means when you say you think something should be illegal. You want people rights taken away for the "crime."

Is it worth it to you to take someone's free life away to make sure no one does LSD? That's what you have to balance when you say something should be illegal. Is your right to make sure no one else has LSD worth more than someone else's right to their life?

Maybe you don't feel that someone who does LSD is of as much value as you; maybe you think you are better than them and it's okay to put them in jail on a whim. Just so you won't have to worry about LSD being in someone else's possession.

Here's some information I just plagiarized off some site, but you can look it up yourselves somewhere else, so I won't bother with a link:

• Nobel-prize-winning chemist Kary Mullis: LSD had helped him develop the polymerase chain reaction that helps amplify specific DNA sequences.
• Nobel-prize-winner Francis Crick: told friends he received inspiration for his ideas from LSD.
• Douglas Englebart, the inventor of the mouse, Myron Stolaroff, a former Ampex engineer, and Apple-cofounder Steve Jobs were all inspired by LSD.

Would you be better off without "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" or "Brave New World" in exchange for not having to worry about someone else doing LSD?

 

Oh, you feel that people COULD control themselves.

No, people have the RIGHT to control themselves.

clever-name, you're totally right, since they're dead, we should just ban their books: BURN every copy of brave new world and one flew over the cuckoo's nest! (they wanted to from the start, anyways)

Also, pay back this debt to society by using their LSD inspired DNA tech to catch LSD users. That'll show em.

 

in the amount of time it takes me to post here. I could score an ounce of crack cocaine.. / FYI Cocaine comes from South America.......Im glad my taxes pay for border agents ......

 

do you mean the border agents of whom several work with the cartels ?
good way to sneak a nuke into usa ... contract the cartels ...
long as the agents think its drugs ... wecome to america nuke !
c'mon in.

a lead casing would make it invisible to the satellites programed to monitor
radioactive materials ... you know ... the ones lying about levels at fukashima ?

 

This is just silly.

Every body knows, as they take off their shoes and submit to potential radiation damage or cancer from invasive naked scanning machines when they get on a plane, that the nuke will float up to DC on a pleasure boat.

Quick, let's make boats illegal, period. Also, boat precursers, including wood, nails, caulk, rope, hammers, and that sort of thing. Also, trees too, so that no one can manufacture illicit wood for boat making reasons.

 

If LSD were to be all out legalized that could potentially be a terrible thing. If you could get LSD as easily you can buy a soda at a store, you need to consider the negative consequences that could result from that many people being exposed to something as powerful as LSD. Bad, life altering trips DO exist. Psychological upheaval CAN result from a bad acid trip.

It's much safer being illegal, where the people who are going to go out of their way to get it will potentially do much more research into it than would the college party kids who ran out of beer and have nothing better to do on a friday night and can just run to the store and buy some as easily as they can get medical marijuana.

LSD is fucking powerful shit. And for all of you psychonauts that can't conceive of how you can have a bad trip from taking some acid, you need to wake the fuck up to the potentials that are present. Hell, good or bad trip, LSD alters your perception of reality PERMANENTLY. It leaves a scar.

Do you really think that it's the wisest idea to expose the entire population to such potentials? I'm not anti-LSD in the least bit. But let's get real here, please.

And stop saying that "well, if pot is getting closer and closer to legalization, then so should LSD". Two COMPLETELY different powers at hand.

It's plain and simple, LSD will reveal aspects of reality that if legalized, could be too traumatic for the majority of the populace to handle.

I mean if LSD were actually legalized, i would be a happy person. And then i would start to get pissed as i read about more and more ignorant college kids and teens misusing it.

 

YES.

I'm not their daddy, and neither are you.

LSD is powerful shit, sure. So you better try to prepare them. You should probably convince most people not to take it.

PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAIL and giving them CRIMINAL RECORDS is a much worse life changing event than a bad trip, it's their fucking RIGHT to have a bad trip, you can't protect people by HURTING THEM.

You say "get real". We're your idea of "real" right now, baby. Illegal LSD, people going to jail because of it, people taking chemicals that are SOLD as LSD that might not be, and the list goes on.

People don't choose not to take drugs because of the law, stop acting like people will make different choices because the government admits that it's peoples right to make the wrong choice (be that to take LSD or NOT to take LSD)

We KNOW what happens when they stop locking people up for drugs, and it's not increased drug use. If you only choose not to take drugs because the law told you to, you're a very weak person anyway, and not fucking worth worrying about.

Also, psychedelic eletism pisses me off. "it's powerful, but I can take it. But it's so powerful, that if other people have it, they should go to jail". FUCKING WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? THINK FOR A SECOND.

If you have taken LSD and think that it should be illegal, you should experience arrest, booking, incarceration, sentencing, and more incarceration, fines, probation, court and legal fees, and everything else, because that's what you want to happen to other people who have, take, distribute, and like, LSD.

 

i have experienced sentencing and jail and the rest of that shit as a matter of fact.

Alright man, i can't disagree with you, it's definitely not something worth going to jail over. No doubt about that.

You just gotta look at both sides of the coin though. Do you really think that as many people would be using salvia if it were illegal? (Well i don't know, it might be illegal now)

The point is, is that people ARE weak, and as soon as that underlying subconscious veil of legality is lifted from the equation, people think, "hell, why not? i'll try this shit".

Think of how many home videos there are of college kids freaking the fuck out with their friends smoking some salvia. It's a rather harmless drug, but it's probably one of the most fucked up drugs that exist. It's very very fucking strange. Do you think that there would be so many youtube videos of that shit if it were illegal?

So instead of the harmlessness of salvia, what if it was LSD? That's all i'm saying. That's an entirely different doorway to naively walk into with your friends.

But at the same time, i can't disagree with you that it's way too harsh to be spending the rest of your life in jail, or any time in jail for that matter, over having possession of some LSD. So i'm not really saying that it SHOULD be illegal and that people SHOULD go to jail for having it. I'm just saying that in general it's probably not the wisest idea to all-out legalize it. I suppose the word that i should be looking for would be "de-criminalization".

 

People no matter what are going to do what they please,wether they make up laws and tell us whats legal or not. we are all oppinionated free thinking individuals who are very lucky to be in a free country,but sometimes i question exactly how free we are. no one should be able to decide what we can or can not take what we think is right or wrong. thats the problem. I AGREE it shud be ligalized.

 

Exactly, you don't even know if salvia is legal.

There was a big buzz about the child-raping LSD like hallucinations that salvia produced, and then everybody forgot about it. It's not for everyone, and some people don't like it, some people do, but when no one's making a big deal about it it doesn't hurt anything.

Youtube is full of milkshot videos, type in the name of any high end glass or weed, and you'll get scores of them. Youtube is full of all sorts of drug/illegal activity videos. So yes, I think it would have salvia videos.

You might have noticed, the salvia videos on youtube now are the same ones that where there years ago. Everyone heard about that crazy legal LSD weed shit, smoked it, put up a video, realized that's not the right way to use salvia and it's not fun to abuse like that, and stopped. There's been one new video: miley cyrus smoking "salvia". And all the talk show hosts and pundits tried to make a big deal of it again, and then it was forgotten about.

Decriminalization is a great step to take, but ultimately if people want to take LSD, it's no one elses right to decide that they can't, no matter how powerful it is. Gasoline is powerful too, and it can be bought by anyone for a few bucks a gallon. Not to mention that ergot is not a finite resource that disappears when you pump it all out of the middle east.