Should atheism be an organized movement?

Scratcho:

Atheists might. I can't see atheists wanting to reform the world with 'atheism', I can understand completely their wanting to seek eachother out though. :-D

 

When you say gods you must be speaking of something. So I ask you to be more succinct in this lack of belief. What is it that we are unable to produce in your estimation.

I don't think you would be surprised to find that the obvious escapes many.

Well no need if you regard your complaints as luxuries but if things get under your skin, even to the extent that you react with regrettable impulse, then the care of the one mind I am talking about is fulfilling the most basic desires we all share. We all want everything we want and we want it now. The degree to which that design can be accommodated is proportional to your level of identification.

Yeah, my statement required modification. I mean I am we can hold by. The I am I call myself is the same I am you call yourself and thus we are.

 

thedope:

I'd better use my own terms. :-D Theists are incapable of producing the superhuman, at least by themselves. LOL

We can account for possibility as little as we can chance. We can love it though.

 

I sure wouldn't want atheism to be portrayed as a bunch of bitching whiners...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx7oVGdv-SI"]Trey Parker & Matt Stone on ATHEISM - YouTube

 

I have a more pragmatic view of faith. I put tenets of the Christian faith, as I understand it, to work in my life, and they seem to produce desirable results in human relations. Christians think they have produced the superhuman, but instead of arguing the point, I prefer to try to put His teachings into action. To give and example, just yesterday, a Christian friend of mine told me he was feeling down because some of his best lunch buddies unfairly criticized him. His solution was essentially to sulk, feel bad about himself and them, and to say maybe he wouldn't have lunch as often with those guys. I gave him advise based on Jesus' teachings of forgiveness and love. Did he take it? Doubtful, but if he did, I have complete confidence that he'd be less miserable and might enjoy his old friends again. Did Christianity lead him to that conclusion on his own? Apparently not. But his identification as a Christian enabled me to appeal to the principles of Jesus (Yes, I know. Other traditions have them too.) Could atheists do the same thing? Probably. These principles are a matter of common sense and good judgment. But the atheists wouldn't have a particular shared belief-value system they could draw on for that solution. They'd have to turn to other sources: e.g., secular philosophy, psychology, personal experience, etc. Those beliefs and attitudes are out there. I find it helpful to have a set of them ready made that I trust and can draw on in solving problems for myself and others. I have atheist friends who will say "atheism tells you what I don't believe; humanism tells you what I do believe."

 

Well, it's been said all you need is love, but such a saying is superfluous until love is all we want. A little imagination goes a long way. All people, whether with or without 'god' are given to letting their imagination get the better of them. Not necessarily a bad thing if we could somehow do it at the same time. :-D

 

How many do you know, know what they want on a consistent basis?

 

No I don't think it should be.

Not all atheists are the same. Where we all don't believe in a deity or a god, we all have our own seperate theories on what is and what isn't. There aren't rules or guidelines in atheism like there are in religion.

 

atheism doesn't have a set of beliefs, so there really couldn't be all that much point. secularist movements though- all well and good.

 

thedope:

We all want love. It's not yet all we want though. How do I know? People are still killing eachother.

 

"All lies in jest till a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

Like I said, he wants one thing one moment and another the next and these desires are disparate.

Further, isn't killing another an expression of the desire for love when none is perceived?

 

thedope:

How romantic. I'm sure it's an expression of many things, most of them undesirable. You don't need to forgive the act to forgive he who did it. Why would you, how could you?

 

All exchanges of energy are equal. "Life yields only to more life." You don't fuck up eternity by running out of time, or there are no endings in a space time continuum. Living things dis-incorporate through auto immune aging, disease, kinetic accidents, being eaten, or starvation. But, it doesn't matter the method of dis-incorporation if dis-incorporation is ubiquitous.

In the case of murder. It is the result of disease or dis-ease. To condemn a disease does nothing for good health. We heal disease.

 

Tar Baby? Really?

 

Mr. Olderwaterbrother gave me that name. He said he had come to the conclusion that I was the tar baby of hipforums.

 

You know it's just another way of saying ******, right?

 

What do you have against niggers?


He was referring to this:
The Tar-Baby is a fictional character in the second of the Uncle Remus stories ; it is a doll made of tar and turpentine used to entrap Br'er Rabbit. The more that Br'er Rabbit fights the Tar-Baby, the more entangled he becomes. In modern usage, "tar baby" refers to any "sticky situation" that is only aggravated by additional contact.

 

and it's a racial slur.

 

It's okay. I'm not a contestant in any race.

 

holy shit, people do know that some words have more than one meaning dont they?

atheist organizations have been around for 160 years. religious organizations have been around for 2000 years minimum.

also atheist organizations couldnt possibly be around as long as religious ones because you cant have a group for something that dosnt exist...
(sure i see the joke in there "but christians have groups")