Should atheism be an organized movement?

thedope:

All exchanges of energy are not equal, life yields only to more life. How is dis-incorporation ubiquitous? You agree we needn't die, but say the body is always subject to dissolution. There is no life beyond form. The universe doesn't disincorporate. It is not a uniform void.

How can what's done be condemned? You know I think beyond punishment.

 

You kill someone, your life continues in way that could only be contributed to by killing. The killed change form as is part of the cycle of life.

As in constantly encountered.

What is the form abstraction?

No but energy is transduced.

You asked, "You don't need to forgive the act to forgive he who did it. Why would you, how could you?"

 

thedope:

That doesn't make sense.

No-one has encountered disembodiment.

Are you resolved to dissolve in order to find out?

And? There is no ubiquity of disincorporation. Abstraction of form is not necessarily its dissolution. The universe infinitely resolves what it is. If you believe it needs to dissolve to do this, what next, absolution? lol

thedope:

You don't heal a disease by forgiving it, but by overcoming it.

 

It is more life. Now you have the life of one having killed, a peak experience for both individuals. Any body will do.

In the form of metamorphosis, I have. I was with two persons at separate times when they died, (shorthand for whatever), and the body that they were became dark but at the same time I sensed the lightest of light rise from the body.

I was once confused, now not so much.

Even the mountains are worn to the sea.

The mind is naturally abstract. Would you have it turn to stone?

 

And how would you overcome your dis-ease at killing?

 

That's one hell of a peak you've got in mind. Are you a murderer?

The one person was two? Everone is everyone elses 'after-life' because we only return to our own. Did the lightest of the light come to rest?

But confused still.

And the ubiquity? You know I could go on asking you forever. The universe is infinite resolution, not dissolution. Creation a law without opposite.

You think a mind made up means it has to cease being so? Whatever happened to making up? :-D

By not killing. You confused yourself to begin with by asking if murder is an expression of the desire for love in its absence. lol

 

TS makes atheism sound more like a bowel movement than a philosophical one.

 

Axe murderer actually. My place is littered with dead axes.

Two people, two occasions of one person each. One was like a wisp like the fog parting in a breeze. The other seemed to pass through me, although it could have passed into me and been absorbed.

Not so much. Sometimes I forget where I put things.

Every moment is new as the old make room for the young. The young want to grow up. Creation is a law without opposite. You are providing the apparent opposite. We are breath, spirit. We breath in and we breath out. This is not opposition but oscillation.

No, there is a difference between a wish and a will.

I asked if killing was not the desire for love in the perceived absence of love.

Perhaps I am confused as to why you made the distinction " you need not forgive the act to forgive the person who did it". I don't think there is anything to forgive.

 

What is TS?

 

thedope:

Me? How? You're insisting the universe, "all bodies" be subject to dissolution, when it is really only resolving itself. Do I create you more than you I? Is it easier for you to believe in god than it is to appreciate respective spheres of influence, expression, life?

Yes. The wish says "if only" while the will says "because". The mind always takes form.

Do you think a person who realizes that killing another has solved nothing feels that way? Forgiveness is to be allowed, even if there is nothing to forgive. A person may be the sum of their action, but not of any one isolated act.

 

So you believe there are no distinct bodies?
"All bodies", does not equal the universe.
Is vacuum a body?
Is a pulse of light a body?
Is the energetic reaction between bodies, a body?

The mind is not material, it organizes diffuse quantum into material. Material does not generate the mind. The thought comes first.

We all create without ceasing. There are no idle thoughts.

It is has totally amplified my appreciation beyond previous experience to behold that we are one voice emerging diversely. The most basic imperative of life is the instinct for self preservation.

Respective spheres of influence represent a competition for ascendancy, survival of the fittest, specialness, and does not reflect the truth that we all survive together through diversification.

All bodies are agglomerates. It takes time to aggregate. A single thought not embellished by attention recedes diffusely into the background, it does not become embodied. To intone embodiment requires frequency and duration.
The frequency is the genetic map or the molecular bond map and duration is of course growth or accumulation.

Another way to make this distinction between a hope or a wish and the will is to say there is a difference between having thoughts and thinking, and then there is a different between thinking, (choosing a course), and acting.
The ray of creation proceeds thought, word and deed.

There is a learning curve. the world is not full of unsound men, but men who have learned so well, unsound principles.

Life in summation is a negative, not a black and white or colored image.
Judge not lest you be judged.

 

thedope:

The universe is physical. There is no perfect vacuum. No lasting state of separation. Resolution, not dissolution. Everything is an idea, including entropy.

The thought comes. Consciousness evolves. There is no disembodiment.

What, god? lol Why not voices emerging uniquely? :-D The most basic imperative of life is for more, not the instinct for self-preservation which is only incidental to it.

lol :-D You're sure about that?

The background of what? No matter where or how we dance attendance on a thought, or forget it, it is never apart from thinking. All mind takes form.

There is no true distinction to be had between having thoughts and thinking, thought itself is an action.

As undeveloped as you like. Life is valuable. Judge for yourself.

 

What is the form of love?

Oh, so the thought does come first. Yes, disembodiment in the sense of metamorphosis. What do you call it when the breath vacates a particular biological frame? I think you confuse the picture frame with the picture.
It is not a confusion of being however, you are distinctly you.

The instinct for self preservation is simply another way of stating the most basic imperative of life is for extension. Why not voices emerging uniquely,? everything is connected.

It doesn't weigh on me.

The background is quantum soup, the ocean of thought from which effervescently arise individual thoughts.

Aggregate bodies are one pole of a spectrum of creation. Elements are not aggregates nor are elementary particles.

There is a learning curve. The mind is a creative mechanism. To be fruitful and multiply is not a suggestion to litter the world with fat carcases. It is to learn to produce consistently the results that you desire. Mind wandering does not do that.

The meaning of that statement judge not lest you be judged, is that we do and the world appears to us as we insist it must.

 

Life

First? It comes. There is no disembodiment in metamorphosis, just change. There is no picture frame. No ultimate referentiality. Life can conceive its infinity.

Preservation is only a reflection upon extension. It is, like I said, incidental to it.

The universe is conscious in itself? We can only answer in part, we can only answer for life. The thought comes.

The elementary, whether we can perceive a sub-structure or not, is nevertheless an aggregate of our understanding.

One may not permit ones mind to wander? The mind is no mechanism. No creator who remains true to themselves becomes a systematizer.

Strikes me as a statement born of fearful nature. Our love is not divorced from our insistence upon it, but it is far more intelligent.
:-D

 

Life is a generic term speaking of no particular form.

It is an incident that points to it. Perpetuation is a synonym for both extension and preservation.

Yes, you are not apart from it.

You mean abstraction?

Really. The systems of the body are, circulatory, digestive, endocrine, immune, lymphatic, muscular, nervous, reproductive, respiratory, skeletal, and urinary. Of course you can permit your mind to wander but I wouldn't advise it when landing a plane.

Only if you are afraid of your own creations. You insist no creator who remains true to themselves becomes a systemizer, so it appears to you.

 

thedope:

It speaks for all life forms!

What do you think?

The accomplishment of a 'task' involves allowing ones mind to wander over and through the different stages of its perceived procedure. :-D

No, our love is always more intelligent than our insistence upon it, which is really only the expression of the fear of losing it.

 

Exactly, one voice emerging diversely.

There are pages of the thoughts we share. I asked that you expound and extend on yours.

He he. We resonate. Resonance is large oscillation at natural frequency: increased amplitude of oscillation of a mechanical system, in this case the world at large, when it is subjected to vibration from, another source at or near its own natural frequency, in this case our focus.

"Great men do not so much great things as great things happen around them."

You have a field effect.

Our mind needn't wander for us to wander. We are in constant motion. Intent is the force around which collect all the circumstances of your life.

It is the mechanism of perception.

 

Really many emerging uniquely. :-D

Sorry, I wasn't meaning to be rude. It was that you asked whether I meant abstra...never mind. :-D My answer is no, I don't. I say so because I happen to in this instance. I never mean abstraction. Or if I do, then I mean something else by it besides. lol

Even just talk of great intent makes me want to celebrate. :-D
It seems ridiculous to me that the world would want to debate whether or not to celebrate itself before beginning to. lol The only way I can make sense of it is to liken it to the shyness of new lovers, or the growing anticipation of delight. Sadly I am brought by it also to the horror that life could ever think it more reasonable to perish than to rule its excess. That it should be baffled by what is exceptional about it. That it would seek to fulfill its most innocent modesty...by expiring!

Everything has to be, if not organized, at least mechanized with you! And yet I'm the one championing the live and conscious human body over the whole of what is thought to be our metaphysics! lol

 

the statement, "It speaks for all life forms", as the same statement of value as, "one voice emerging diversely". Although is expressed individually, love is not unique to any individual.

I didn't think you were, me neither.

You do realize that words are symbols and therefor abstract in nature. Symbols are not solid things as they can be used to mean anything.

Maybe it seems ridiculous to you because that is not in fact what is occurring. Life is indomitable. Not understanding is not an understanding.

There are a few outstanding queries i have made of you.

You say there is no dis-incorporation of the body, that bodies only change.
That simply doesn't jive with my empirical examples. When my wife died, her body was cremated. I can assure you there was no life of personhood left in that body, although the elements that constitute the body are recycled by life at large.

What do you call it when the breath vacates a particular biological form?

It doesn't have to be organized on my account, the body is full of organs.

 

thedope:

The value would be the same only if 'it', life, were one thing to begin with. Not even the universe is one thing! It is not finitely infinite, it is infinitely infinite. :-D Love is unique to all individuals.

Yes life is indomitable, but what kind? It is not that I am worried, but that I want to know! Not understanding can be a coming to understand. If you have seen the horror of possibility and not just its beauty, you will know that life defies fate.

Bodies do only change, there is no disincorporation. The thought doesn't come first, it simply comes. We can only resurrect the living. Is your wife alive in your mind? The vacation of form is impossible. It has been argued that we should live for our return to our self-same life, but I've yet to see that death can ever make sense, that its supposed 'certainty' can ever be known.

“What if a demon were to creep after you one night, in your loneliest loneliness, and say, 'This life which you live must be lived by you once again and innumerable times more; and every pain and joy and thought and sigh must come again to you, all in the same sequence. The eternal hourglass will again and again be turned and you with it, dust of the dust!' Would you throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse that demon? Or would you answer, 'Never have I heard anything more divine'?” -Nietzsche


Perhaps not eternal recurrence, but eternal occurence?


“Out of damp and gloomy days, out of solitude, out of loveless words directed at us, conclusions grow up in us like fungus: one morning they are there, we know not how, and they gaze upon us, morose and grey. Woe to the thinker who is not the gardener but only the soil of the plants that grow in him.” -Nietzsche

It was unfair of me to say. But you're the one who insists we're not our bodies! I only admit we're more than them. :-D