Should atheism be an organized movement?

I seen there was a post here that was not Thedope or Dejavu so I had to come have a read. Thumbs up for a 3 sentence post with no multiquotes!

 

One vote for the existence of god then.

 

thedope:

Life is not a thing, not an event? You would place life outside of life. You deny the body its innocence by denying its life outside of the mind. The thought comes, not first or finally. The event that is the moment spurns your insistence that life arise from nothing but its thought. To love that life may do so, is to credit all as eventuating in life.

By convolution, I did not mean your life!

The ones? Who? The human beings? The fat carcasses? All the angels in heaven would have no trouble agreeing with you. And the devilish ourobos of existence? Well, consumption is a fact, but who's to say we couldn't altogether manage to consume our own end?

Then hand over your gun to me. Stay close, and duck when I say duck.

If you can't let life arise on its own, what does it matter how mindful you are of it?

Which is where? You said you wanted to dispose of it.

Not all anxiety. But even that is not cause for fear. The truth is that love sets us free. Love, like truth, is open slather, but loving ( yes I know you think you know that love takes no action ) reins in what we give to life of meaning.

 

I normally like it when my threads go awry, but I don't have the attention span for you two.

 

:-D

No-one says you have to. What would you like that's missing in your thread? Needs mushrooms.

 

I spend perhaps ten minutes a day on it. Perhaps you could provide more interest for me.

 

Our only reality is not body but spirit, breath. Without breath there is no communication with body and the body manifests as purely mineral.

Nor I.

I don't know what an ourobos is. The world is not valuable for what it has to offer. We give it all the value it has for us.

The picture quacks me up.

Just inquiring as to whether you think rocks alive?

I am invulnerable. I said the body between us.

Truth is we are love and we are free, however we cannot escape the effects of our own thinking. Fear is a liar and would put you to miscreant use of mind.
The truth dispels the fear that would keep you from going where you will.

 

You always seem to miss that we love the body. Your "only" is in vain.

No, the world is valuable for what it has to offer because we give it all the value it has for us.

We've had this exact conversation.

It shouldn't really. At least not from my perspective. If you can imagine 'letting' yourself being killed, you'd seriously better put your life in the hands of those who don't want you killed.

You've enquired of me that very thing before. Does it matter?

What is the body between us if not the world? You would dispose of what we share, for...sharings sake?!

You speak as though fear were capable of having an intent, as opposed to only producing one. In truth, fear exists. It does not exist as love.

 

We love the body to distinguish ourselves but the body is immersed in conditions sometimes less than distinguished. I just don't settle for it.

Not one has spoken up to have me killed but I said I am invulnerable, not imagining that I might be killed. Bodies can kill or disrupt other bodies, but a mind cannot kill another mind.

It relates to your question of mutual exclusion.

The thing that makes you think I am on the other side of the world.

Yes, I give fear a personality so we may recognize our own in it. Fear has no face of it's own. It is entirely speculative.

 

thedope:

As long as you love it, you need not 'settle' for it.

You said you could imagine a kill or be killed situation, and then that you could imagine letting yourself be killed! Like you, I don't imagine I will be killed, but it doesn't mean I wouldn't kill someone to prevent them killing me.

If I am to begin to ask if a rock is alive, it is already a part of my life. lol

You don't deny life arises, but to maintain it arises only in the mind is to deny life its embodiment. Like I said, to have life be what it is by its thought alone, only takes love. Mind of matter, not over.

When did you ever think I thought the world took sides?

I couldn't give fear a personality even if I tried. Yes it has no face of its own, but is no less the reality it is for being speculative. What is fear recognized? Non-existence or the loss of recognition?

 

What is love, the right attitude? Not being without, I have no call for it

Yes but why?

Without you enlivening rock, is rock alive?

I say the body is not alive of itself, without the mind. There is no life without the mind but there is magnanimous intent or motivation still without the body. I have said time and again, the thought comes first, not only. Conception comes first, then gestation, then birth. Thought, word, and deed. Are you afraid of the truth that you are master of what you behold? We are free to attempt to deny our inheritance in creation, but not free to choose what it is. Creation is a law without opposites.

Fear is the illusion of danger. Fear has no face to be recognized however it puts forth the false claim that if you follow it's proceeds it will keep you safe from harm. It's genuine effect is to keep you from going where you will and to wound your heart.

The truth does not make illusion real, the truth dispels illusion.

 

Love or the body?

Why would I kill rather than be killed? If you need to ask me that, you don't really want my company.

Ask the god of rock.

And I say to insist life arises of the mind alone is the denial of lifes embodiment. Where is the motivation without the body? You are mistaken.

Yes, creation is law without opposite. Where does the thought come 'first'? All that can be demonstrated is that it comes, and not only comes. It goes with us. This is why a certain kind of life, mine, values the survival of the individual over the idea.

No, there are degrees of reality in its experience. The "illusory" is illusion.
Fear itself is an effect. It puts forth no 'claim'. Fear can't help but leave room for love, not vice versa.

If the truth doesn't give illusion reality, what's to dispel?

 

Not without love. Not without being. Not without power.
Curious still what you think loves condition is.

Yes, or why would you have me duck at you beck and call?

Is this one of your loving conditions?

I took a walk along the rocks and as I walked along the rocks the rocks began to talk. The man you are today tomorrow you'll be not, and had you seen me you'd have thought, I was just standing still.

Didn't answer my question either.

C, it's value is 299,792,458 meters per second,

Before you take a breath. Before the chair, before the table, before the dinning room, before you ask to be excused.

We share our thoughts, thoughts being common currency of mind. Your thoughts go with you but they do not leave with you.

The decorum of kill or be killed?

There are no degrees of reality.

Maybe you hadn't listened to the quality of it's vibrations. Fear is a choice and it is not the choice you prefer but one would be convinced falsely of it's prudence all the same.

Fear and love do not exist in the same place. Fear does not make room for love, they do know each other. Fear flees with the invitation to love.

We have had this conversation before. You may have a thought that has no objective constituents in reality other than the chemo-electric activity bouncing around in a neural crystal. You can conceive of things without substance because the mind is naturally abstract. This feature allows for innovation but all innovation must transpire with in the temporal order.

An illusion is a distortion of the senses. With the regaining of sense the illusion disappears as what was beheld never existed in the first place.

 

Our own, whoever wants it to be their own. As life, which has no meaning we don't give it, but that doesn't mean it is without meaning.

That you can imagine letting yourself be killed only has me offering what protection I can afford.

It is no ultimatum, so no, it is not a condition I am giving to love necessarily. Your own question you are yet free to press as needful. My life however, yes, that is one of my loving conditions.

Rock on.

Has speed, momentum, finite velocity, has mass ( as per energy )
Gravity affects light even though we cannot weigh the photon.
So where is the motivation without the body?

No, I came to the thought, just as it came to me. Does the thought come before itself? The thought is never without its embodiment, no matter how we are to dismiss, or extend it.

No, my thoughts leave with me, which are not thought itself.

No. You haven't grasped it. Should you? lol
"Dionysus against the crucified!"

There are in experiencing reality. Take a walk along those rocks again.

What I don't 'prefer' is the personalization of fear.

We've had this conversation before, in the thread "Do you feel safe?" Fear leaves room for love, not makes room.

lol The distortion of the senses is an illusion? :-D
A thing is what it is, isn't it?

 

What does it mean?

Stingy. I would make sure flowers grew round.

Why wouldn't I want your company owing to your disposition?

Gravity equals intent.

The thought is one of three parts of the articulation of self. Thought, word, and deed. Thought comes first. Conception is the beginning of life. You did not create yourself although you create as you were created.

But you would not personalize or give fear a face.

I have your thoughts with me. If you left I wouldn't know it.

It appears I have two choices, that you would like me to or you like to hear your head rattle with repetition.

I really have no idea who dionysus is or why it would be against the crucified, or who or what the crucified are. If you can't flesh out your meaning for me I guess it cannot communicate life.

The least concern is the same as the greatest devotion and the least irritation is the same as the greatest catastrophe. They differ only in intensity, not in content.

Fear being a distortion of the senses does not take up room, it only distorts the view.

Perception is not knowledge silly.

A hallucination is a perception and so is the taste of strawberries.

 

Love. At least to me. I can imagine it meaning everything. What does it mean to you?

I can't die for you thedope.

I think you'd probably want it very much in a kill or be killed situation after what you've made known.

So where is the body without motivation? :-D
Let's lend ourselves to levity.

lol

From Goethes Faust:

'Tis written: "In the beginning was the Word!"
Here now I'm balked! Who'll put me in accord?
It is impossible, the Word so high to prize,
I must translate it otherwise
If I am rightly by the Spirit taught.
'Tis written: In the beginning was the Thought!
Consider well that line, the first you see,
That your pen may not write too hastily!
Is it then Thought that works, creative, hour by hour?
Thus should it stand: In the beginning was the Power!
Yet even while I write this word, I falter,
For something warns me, this too I shall alter.
The Spirit's helping me! I see now what I need
And write assured: In the beginning was the Deed!

No, I would not.

You have my written expression of them.

The life that overcomes resignation, either to itself or an idea.

I had a reply to this saying of yours when you last coughed it up. I forget what it was, but it applies in the very same way. :-D

When I say fear leaves room, you really take me to mean it takes up room?!

No, a hallucination is a misperception.

Knowledge is always perceived.

 

Hear we are again, what is love? Life doesn't mean anything to me but I am enlivened and cannot be otherwise.

I would hope your affection for me was not such that you would kill for me.
Maybe you meant only that you would instruct me in the appropriate calisthenics for the moment.

I liked you before you professed to prefer killing to being killed and my feelings haven't changed. I don't believe you have statistically assayed my wants, too small a sampling.

without continuity

I would rather be high all the time.

Quackery!
Deeds do not make men. The deed is at the tail end of the process. If the deed is the doing then talk is cheap and your thoughts worth even less.

Your words in fact are gospel to the character of your experience, and you speak of things as you had conceived of them. Your actions are naturally consistent to the premises of your conceptions. We dream a dream seeing ourselves figures in the dream but, do not remember or appreciate that we are the dreamer. If I asked to recount the days of your life, they would numbered according to you only and you would not accept a different version. You would insist or rather testify as true of you and the world the events you recount.

No body, no life. Where is fear?

You did not write in my minds eye.

You mean like the requirement of body?

If you have forgotten then how do you know it applies?

Well yes. Are you saying every thing including love must have a body except fear?

You really had to grease yourself up for this one.


hal·lu·ci·na·tion [hə lss'n áysh'n]
(plural hal·lu·ci·na·tions)
n
1. false sense perception: the perception of somebody or something that is not really there, which is often a symptom of a psychiatric disorder or a response to some drugs
2. something imagined: something that somebody imagines seeing, hearing, or otherwise sensing when it is not present or actually occurring at the time (often used in the plural)

You perceive all knowledge in this moment? Perception only accounts for how and where you look, a query of the senses.

 

thedope:

Everyone.

lol

Being the resonantly peace-loving conscientiously-objecting non-combatant you are, chances are I'd have to "prevent" your would-be killers from becoming your killers. Worry about your pilates instead.

And I liked you before I knew you can imagine letting yourself be killed. I still like you even though we are profoundly unalike. A final appeal on this point:-- You would really let another make the mistake of killing you? It's not one they or you could go back upon.

Which is where?

How? By intending to? Is my lending myself to levity somehow preventing you?! lol

Far from quackery, the thought comes. You say it comes first, but had no answer when I asked if it then precedes itself. What tail end?! And that last sentence, "If the deed is doing etc etc..." LOL Is the deed done?!

Not altogether we don't, no. Not yet anyway. And if we did, would we still think we were dreaming? How high did you want to stay? :-D There's something else to remember. If we can't allow that we have 'come about' there is no way we're ever going to come together. I'm as ready as I'll ever be.

Where is anything with no body?

The thought of my thoughts is not always of those that have gone before, but subject to the origination and continuation of identity. Where two or more, or less, gather in my 'name', there I am not!
:-D

No, resignation to it, or anything for that matter.

I have forgotten my exact expression. I loved it though, and though you may say I don't love it well enough, I yet maintain it applies just as it did as reply to what, from you, is exactly as it appeared the last time! lol Go look it up if you like!

lol I thought I'd already in this conversation qualified what fear leaves room for.

Are you saying a hallucination isn't a misperception?!

What is all knowledge?! If you really think perception only accounts for how we gain knowledge and is not at the same time that gain in any instance, you truly do not know what you do.