Slowly Dying

I know, and they can never be grounded. My ideas of God are in fact what hold me back from experiencing it as eternity, as totality, as the life throbbing away in every speck of reality.
Although Nature baffles me and awes me, it is not what I accept as highest truth, or reality, or whatever we want to call it. But it surely is strange that we have all had many similar experiences, and have such radical differing opinions. One thing that can not be avoided however, is the sense of connection our awareness has. Unless of course a person has not woken up to that, but I know that you have.
It just seems to me that we are a plan happening, and wether we have any more a part in it other than to be born, eat, work, reproduce and die is not part of my questions. But there is something undeniably awesome going down, and Im so thankful for this human lifetime to share in the drama. God to me is not afterlife, God to me is a nutcase force permeating everything, making it all happen, and I dont even want to know why, I just want to experience deeper states of 'It'.

 

I could argue that it makes us "less" for we move away from our true nature and go against the only thing that we really know to be true on a animalistic level.

 

They're not pavel. They simply are not. They are still talking about language based themes, trying to stick to rational, logical arguments...and as a result, Authentique and I came to some sort of agreement a long time ago...a word based agreement.

Also, I don't think people are truly reading what you are saying or paying much mind to your idea about time because it just doesn't have a place in logical thought...its in a different realm altogether.

Animals have a concept of death? Says who? Just because something instinctively avoids danger, how do you know that it has a concept of death?

I am not being lazy at all. I have read everything you have said in detail and given it great thought. I explained the concept of time. You explained a concept that exists outside of our understanding, and yet you did not. You did not explain the rationality or science behind it, you just said that it is there.

Also, I think you completely misunderstand John's concept of God. I believe he is talking about a complex engine of cause and effect, or a gradual flowing of nature, nature and the universe with its own creative forces and ingrained knowledge. I think we may agree on the wording, but I can see what he is saying. He is talking about nothing mythical.

I used to think Cherea was wrong about you with his idea that "Because Pavel says it, it must be so" but I am starting to see where he is coming from. You really do place too much value on your own groundless assumptions within arguments and you have not understood what I am saying, or so it appears to me.

Like I said, I completely understand what you mean that time does not truly exist outside of human understanding...unfortunately, outside of human understanding, neither does you, me, life or death, or suffering and any assumption that there is an instinctive, inborn idea about life or death within animals...cannot be proven.

 

ha, i almost said that.

we really need to get back in the trees....

 

I do not think that our opinions are that radically different. We are actually probably rather similar as people, as far as people like us go.

I just cannot picture us a a plan. It's an idea that seems to be giving human kind way too much credit.

All in all, I really want to talk about God with you John, but not over a forum, but face to face. I think that it would be beautiful, and I think that I will not only hear, but also truly feel what you're talking about. I'm determined to make it happen one day when I'm filthy rich with all of my Jew-money.

 

It's understandable, I do get very whimsical and excited when I talk about God, when really I have no idea at all what it is. I just love it

 

I apologize if that was a very concise and almost "silly" argument, but I don't feel I can say much more. I believe that you are too caught up in trying to introduce themes into language based arguments that simply don't belong there and which create paradoxes that you have so far been unsuccessful at explaining or "decoding" rationally, even to yourself.

I wrote the above before, but I think you might have missed it because it was part of an edit.

Notice I said paradoxes.

 

i would love to bring dean and join, and you can buy us all some pbr with your jew money, i'll bring the mota.

 

Of course man, I've always wanted to have this discussion with you in person over a few beers. That kind of expression simply cant be felt without physical connection. My favorite hobby is to listen to how people interpret and relate to life on the grander scale :cheers2:

 

Animals know when they will die, animals are aware of death. A dog goes to die alone in the woods when the time comes. An animal senses another's death.

Hell, elephants even have graveyards...that they actually visit!

This is a fact, not some idea that I'm getting out of my ass.

Well, don't take my words in this thread for my understanding of John's concept of God. I wasn't even replying to that, it was merely a sidenote.

We've had several discussions about this before, and I often read John's threads, and I do believe that I'm aware of what he's saying, I just don't feel it... and as I've said, it's something that one must feel to fully comprehend.

I agree though, outside of human understanding not much can be proven. This is why this discussion is about a thought that is not grounded in scientific logic. I do not understand why you want me to back up my concepts with logic and facts. They are merely ideas.

I use the word merely too much.

I understand exactly what you're saying, while you're simply too stuck on specifics and do not pay enough attention to the main picture of what I'm trying to say.

This conversation is impossible, because you're not doing the thing that I asked you to do the most: approach it with a clear mind, not as a human, but as an animal.

 

I know exactly what I'm saying, it's crystal clear to me.

I've even explained it to you in a dozen of different ways.

There are no paradoxes in what I'm saying, you're just obsessed with the language.

 

Well, good, it will truly happen.


Zilla and Dean can come too, for the more, the merrier.

But I would like to have an opportunity to just discuss it one on one with you for a couple of hours. Hell, all I really want is to listen for a couple of hours and then say a word or two in return.

 

fuck that. im not going anywhere.

 

dean and i will just play some some background music while you guys have your discussion. it's what we do.

 

Haha, well lord knows I could go on for hours, I already do that as it is :tongue:
Someday we should eat some mushrooms together, and just go experience it directly. Although I dont know when my mind will be ready for them again, I feel confident that I can take another exposure but Im worried about putting the peices back together again.
Really the only way I can explain it, is that on lower doses, a sort of half insane, half loving smiling pattern of eyes seem to open up all around, within and without. And then on the heavier doses, it's just too much to bear. Thankfully my body tends to go into a locked up, paralyzed state during those peaks, and I've been able to seperate and be dissolved into it, and when I come back I can smile and laugh, with the feeling that I have been sitting here for millions of years. That kind of cosmic belly laughter brings to mind the buddha statue for me, but its as simple as sharing a Guiness with Aura on a summer night a year ago.

 

i am fully certain that if i ever met you we would talk until our jaws fell off and possibly suffer several strokes.

 

:cheers2:
It's funny that so many of us on the forums are so alike, but are spread out so far apart.
It's like God planted cell phone towers all over the world lol. Either that or we are like light bright pegs turning on individually until the picture is complete

 

I'm having me some Guiness right now.

But yes, we should do some shrooms together one day, experience it all, and listen to 'em Texas kids play their hillbilly music

 

that's quite the topic on its own.

the distance and similarity.

god?, hmm.

 

Yea thats a bigee.
I have this ongoing discussion with an old friend about wether or not we can be seperated from God mentally, and this of course spirals off into my opinion about being lived through rather than living, and his opinion that we have free will and are biding our time before giving in. Shit just never ends lol