So... about that Mueller investigation

Discussion in 'Politicians' started by 6-eyed shaman, Mar 23, 2019.

  1. I don't think it's practical for him nor do I think it could be accomplished in the remainder of his lifetime. And I don't think any of his offspring have any potential to be 10% of their father. Since he's a wealthy corporate king, I think he'd probably be perfect for dictatorship. Most corporations are run like that. Sure, they have federally mandated rules for dealing with the plebes and hoi polloi, but corporations still operate like oppressive to the point of being abusive dictatorships.

    I think Elisabeth Holmes is a better example than Trump. If Trump plans to become a dictator, he'd better fast track it.

    I wonder how an aspiring dictator would actually take over the US. With the layers of redundant government, some offices actually undoing the work of others, and a massive military filled with well-armed career killers who would likely love a chance to be dictators (the military also feels a lot like a dictatorship from the inside, it sucked) it seems more likely that if the US was to become a dictatorship, it would be by force and Trump would not likely be in the top 10. There'd be a tree of generals and admirals on top of him.
     
  2. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Oh, no! You liked it.? The point was to highlight your nihilistic, corrosive cynicism that leads to political obtuseness and paralysis. You have no sense of nuance. To use the Roman example, you can't seem to distinguish between an Augustus, Marcus Aurelius, or Hadrian, on the one hand, and a Caligula, Nero, or Commodus, on the other. Like all humans, all politicians have their faults, but some are only human and others are pathological monsters. Not to be able to distinguish one category from another leads to dangerous political blindness that opens us up to the worst forms of despotism.
     
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  3. Meliai

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    As soon as I read your post i knew it was far too subtle, lol. It was destined to go over a few heads
     
  4. tumbling.dice

    tumbling.dice Visitor

    Wow, you're more cynical than me. My hat is off to you! :tongueclosed:
     
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  5. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I don't understand. How is the ballot box being used as a convenience by the government?
    Do you believe that the only way to change any form of corruption in government is by assassination?
    What corrupt aspect of the government was changed by the assassinations of Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Cermak, Long, or the Kennedys?
    For example Garfield was a reformer who fought corruption in the Post Office, opposed the "Spoils system", championed an educated electorate through universal education, and wanted civil rights for all blacks. One wonders what further reforms he would have been able to enact if not for his assassination.

    It seems to me you're upset because the Democratically led House is looking into allegations of illegality by the President. And you seem upset because some in the House are considering impeachment. Are you saying that you don't think the House members should follow the process set forth in the Constitution?

    Please explain.
     
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  6. tumbling.dice

    tumbling.dice Visitor

    The people who need assassinated are the voters, they keep putting these dipshits in office. Maybe then we'll have real change.
     
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  7. By keeping the masses contented (though not necessarily happy).

    Only? I don't recall even suggesting it was the only means. In most of history it has been exceptional, not the norm. The US is massive and has had assassinations shift key historical events. I'm not cheering for anyone to get whacked, just saying that I think it's overdue. Given US history and that of much of the world.
     
  8. Bwahahahahahahahahaha
     
  9. Most humorous. You slather this "upset" nonsense at me like so much spackle. Is it possible to forego this personalizing shit in a discussion with you?

    I don't agree with impeachment because it's a waste of time. It fattens the wallets of lawyers and accomplishes little else. Impeaching Clinton was a monumental waste, but so was the threat to impeach Nixon (who belonged in jail). The country club that is Washington is never going to slap cuffs on the people who need it.
     
  10. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Are you suggesting Republicans suddenly believe in science?
     
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  11. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Old Noxy used to laugh just like that!
     
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    onceburned Banned

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    poor butthurts……………
     
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  13. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    So are you saying you don't agree with the electoral process?
    How else should we choose our representatives?

    What key historical events have been shifted by political assassinations?

    Why do you think assassinations are overdue?
    Do you believe in the rule of law and the Constitution?
     
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  14. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    I think nonsense is being weaponized in awful , unpeaceful ways .

    Psy-war directed by
    Wizards of Psychology -
    A.I. delivery system

    Is there an anti-war movement ?
     
  15. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    It is hard to converse with you without personalizing your responses as they are unique to you as an individual. I apologize if I have offended you, that's not my intention.

    Am I correct in my understanding of your position that you don't agree with the constitutional mechanism of impeachment?
    You call it a waste of time. In my view it's one means of insuring adherence to the law by those in office. In the case of the potus impeachment has been used twice. Once for Andrew Johnson and once for Bill Clinton. Both times the impeachment of a Democrat by Republicans.
    Neither were removed from office.

    The Johnson impeachment led to the verdict that the President can disagree with Congress without fear of removal from office on that basis only. It reaffirmed the separation of and equality of the two branches. In that regard it wasn't a waste of time.
    I agree in Clinton's case that it was a waste of time as he was basically impeached on moral grounds by the Republicans and they have now endorsed and are currently protecting the least moral president in the history of the country.

    In the case of Nixon, the threat of impeachment and the knowledge that he would be removed from office led to his resignation. So the threat of impeachment wasn't a waste of time in his case.

    At the very least the threat of impeachment serves as a deterrent.
    I would like to know how you think a corrupt president should be removed from office, short of being assassinated of course?
    What mechanism do you propose?
     
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  16. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    All dictators take over with charisma and/ or military force. They then rig elections and take away a free press. No dictator says he is one. He says his people are free and they decie to love and elect him. Notice how much Trump loves the culture of Russia or North Korea for example. He has love in his own land now but not all of it. They don't HAVE to love him. They don't have to made to admit how strong the country is this way.

    Trump voters are confident that high ranking military officials also hate the "deep state" so this is why no one can assassinate Trump. Not only does he have the Secret Service he has secret parts of the CIA too. If we look at all the military officers Trump has fried since they told him what he did not want to hear we can assume that at this point any left are in two categories. They either love him and do whatever he says therefor controlling the deep state or they don't tell him anything and the deep state is waiting to kill him.

    The long term Alt-right goal right now is for no 2020 election to not take place. Trump can and should declare the Democratic party a violent and un-American plot to cheat an election with illegals and voter fraud. At this point the FBI which has already been cleaned out of that Russia shit will come for the top ranking party members and those on the list as supporters and volunteers of the party. At this point there will only be real Americans who all agree that Trump's children and high ranking business men will carry on Trump's party with no need for elections. Since in this free market paradise it's just assumed if you can get rich enough to run for for president in America you did something right.

    He could easily be a dictator if the American military did not want to challenge him. It's a force made up of mostly young men who do whatever the dad and commander tells them. There is honor in protecting the leader and his values. A good portion of the current military says they would protect Americans and not a dictator. But what if you joined the Army since you think Islam is the real dictator? You might like the guy who does not like it. Dictator is a relative interpenetration. It used to be Americans had all decided something. Now Republicans are the ones comfortable with anything since only one man alone can protect them. For him they give up anything since he can be trusted to not really take rights away. It's like trusting god above all else.

    Ladies like this for example.
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  17. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    Mueller report didnt find any evidence to get a single Trump campaign official charged.

    Not even one.

    Without long winded replies of 10 paragraphs that dont really say anything, just in 50 words or less tell us what Trump did that was illegal, and quote the part of the Mueller report that says that
     
  18. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    What I got from the report was that Julian Assange knowingly bullshitted about the Seth Rich murder and him being the source of the leaks. Which I knew anyway

    That guy is a snake, he is no ones free speech hero
     
  19. Meliai

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    Huh?
    Here's who has been charged in the Mueller probe

    His campaign manager, campaign foreign policy advisor, national security advisor, and his lawyer were all charged
     
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  20. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    Did you read that article?

    Charges relating to Flynn were in regards to when Obama was still President

    Charges relating to Manafort, Trumps ex campaign manager of which he was convicted and sentenced a year ago

    Etc etc


    Please spell out for me, who you actually think has been charged due to this investigation, the report of which was submitted to the Attorney General 4 weeks ago
     
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