So what happend after...?

basically if someone doesnt like you because they know you use drugs you know that they are prejudice and would not make a good friend anyways. really you are not missing out on much.

it is better to have a few good friends than to have many superficial friends... this is not a popularity contest.

plus - now that you have done all the drugs you will forever be that guy who did all those drugs or you will be the guy who has many dark secrets because you are ashamed of your past and afraid that people wont like you if they know you have done a lot of drugs.

it would be better for you to find few friends who accept you for who you are.

there are many people who i have no time for because i know what they think of me and my drug use. my brother is one of them. it hurts me deeply but i know the truth. i am not the one in the wrong - he is the one who does not accept me for who i am. i will not conform to his ideals so that i can say i have a supportive brother. he should accept me for who i am.

you have to find people who respect you for who you are. - you will always be a drug user or a recovering drug user. some people will always have a problem with you if they know the truth. maybe you dont have to tell them all certain things. the only people you can be good friends with are the people who accept you for who you are and where you have been. those are the only real good friends anyways - anyone who thinks negatively of you because of your drug use or your past is not worth your time anyways.

 

i think you twisted what i was saying around into your own stuff.

when i say acid closes doors in significant ways, i have found it true in a way. i cant explain how i felt it happend to me, but i found taking lsd put me in a fairy tale land, whilst it opens your mind to new perspectives, it has the potential to greatly shut you out of others. ofcourse lsd and the lsd experience is so diverse, differnt things happen to everyone, so there is no point even arguing what lsd does, cause lsd does what lsd does to the individual.

every individual mind is so diffent, and learns to cope in its own way, and has to work out its perception of its own reality. no one is in your brain holding your hand inside their, helping you. its just you in their.

life is about being happy, ofcourse saying that can be interpreted in many way, see youve interpreted it in your own way, just like others will their own way.

now look at your strong 'closed minded' views on alchole and 'normal' society. its all merely just opinion and perspective all of it based on either a good or a bad experience.

i think there is even deeper ways to look at things, and im not sure, i highly doubt im able to see these deeper things than somone who has done an absulte shit load more lsd than me, but maybe it has skewed your mind. i dont know.
there is allways peace and no need to fight, cause there is so much complexity to understanding, and peoples perspectives, and imagining were they are coming from in their brains, and whether their opinion or perspective is biased upon many different experiences in reality. now imagine 100's of lsd trips, imagine what they must do to all of your understandings and opinions, which are developed from experience. so your understanding and perspectives are driven from hallucinogenic drug experiences.

 

apart of enlightenment is in understanding that no matter how much you beleive somthing, that you realise it is only your beleve, and what is in a beleif. i mean just because you or i beleive in somthing 100% doesnt make it real.
so its when you question your very beleifs and opinions and realise there is more than just what you beleive or have encoutered that you may be free. baha i dont know.

 

your right man. its strange cause i never used to give a damn shit what people thought. give it 2 weeks and who knows, maybe i wont.
i think iv realised now, if i do continue using drugs less often, which i may, it will deffinatly be somthing that no one knows about. i was way to casuall about it before. same goes for the 'crazy' things you learn on psychdelics.
now before you said im gonna go round and give lsd a bad name, ofcourse not. i still think maybe id do lsd again. shit ill prob take shrooms in a couple weeks i dont know. cant let a bum trip put you off, i guess huh. dont know.

 

something happened to you man. i think you have lost it!


you dont think that there is anything wrong with western society and the way we live our lives. this is not a perspective man - we are going to completely destroy our selves and our planet if we keep this up.

i am sure that if you can somehow hide the fact that you used to be a drug user that you will be able to find a good number of so called friends. maybe that will make you happy.

if i could make a suggestion. i dont feel like you have completely understood what i am saying because i think you are not reading with an open mind. it is like you have already made up your mind or you are in the process of wanting to believe something else so you dont hear what i am actually saying. so, i think you should come back and read this thread in a week from now hopefully with an open mind.

the world is not a happy place. maybe you will realize this when you are older. something has to be done about the way we live our lives collectively. this is not a matter of perspective. you can not just sit back and tell yourself that nothing is wrong with the world and be happy. maybe you will have to live another few years of trying to live with your perspective before you snap out of it - or maybe you will never snap out of it.

anyways, i tried.

but i have to laugh... you poor guy - you think that LSD has messed up my head - but what does that make of you? didnt you take a bunch of that stuff? wonder what it did to you??? oh wait... we already know... it fucked you up! actually no - the LSD didnt fuck you up. you did! if you want to blame anything blame yourself and all the fucking pills you took looking for happiness.

 

peace and love

i speak up because i care. please try to understand at least that much.

 

dude why are you flaming the guy. don't be so condescending. "the world is not a happy place, maybe you will understand when your older?"...it's not like he's an idiot. oh and how are you making the world better? doing lsd all the time and making "wise philisophical remarks" i use that term loosely.

 

wow, that was very informative thank you very much for taking the time to make an ass out of yourself.

i took a few posts in this thread to explain why doing LSD and other drugs every weekend is a bad idea. and from this you conclude that i do it all the time. you are a smart one.

 

3xi is right. lsd didnt fuck you up. i took last and was all fucked up, but then i realized it was all in my head and the way i was thinking. once i got through all that shit my bad trip turned out to be one of my best trips. it really made me alot more strong minded and able to cope.

 

amazing.....

excuse me, but i've been blown away......

 

Hey guys, I dont want to have to be a pain in the ass, but I have been given the position of moderator of this forum a few weeks ago, and if this thread is going in the direction of personal attacks and general B.S. Im going to have to close it. Please just let it die.
Peace my family -

 

eff you moderator nazi!! fuck the system!!!

 

god forbid there is conflict that is not presented in a nice way.

 

Well CHAIN this forum has been notorius for having meaningful threads turn into flame wars, and I am just as responsible for participating in them in the past as anyone else is. But the point of assigning moderators is to cut down on spam, illeagle activity, and waste of space posts that run off topic. If you read the forum guidelines you will see that all of them are against the rules here.

 

i was just foolin around <3

 

yeah, some people feel the need to "go to a hospital" during a bad trip. Its retarded. People examining you tripping is going to make the trip exponentially worse. All you need is close friends, fimiliar setting, and time to work out whatevr is making the trip bad. All my "bad" trips were generally points in my trip (45 minutes) or so where the trip went a little bad, but i work through it and always have a great time regardless and learn alot. Bad trips are the most enlightening.

It's an occupational hazard really, if you trip alot, your gonna have a bad trip eventually. It's just the way it goes.

 

there is no need to shut down this thread, infact would be just be insanly annoying, and destroy one of the reasons why i love this site so much.


but wait. sure ofcourse there is things wrong with society, what do you expect it to be, fucking perfect? in the world we live in, with the diversity of each persons mind, how can anything be truelly perfect like fantasy. what? more rules and laws, imagine a world in 1000 years where they could bust you for the tinyiest things within 2 seconds no matter where you were, even in private. is that gonna help?

while society isnt perfect, just imagine what it could be? it could be alot worse. you have a very negative view on it. i used to have that same feeling about society, until i had a realiasation, and my mind opened to apreciate society.
tax- well if we didnt pay tax, we wouldnt have roads and jails and all that shit, jails protect society and legal system is a must to refrain everyone from doing anything they want, so it works, roads are their for us to travel to and from places and work. instead of hunting our own food, we go to work in exchange for money, in which we then exchange for other goods and services.
i mean how do you want society to be?
i allways used to think it would be best to just go back and hunt and live in a hut, but i dont know anymore.

 

Peter Popper, this is mainly to your posts earlier in the thread.

Probably my single favorite quote ever:

"It is important to remember when visiting this planet that words, things, and thinking are viewed as the same."
-Christopher Hyatt

I post this because, I've found if your going to maintain sanity here, you must begin to separate metaphors, words and the energy behind those things. Realize what words and language are, it's an abstract, non-existent, description of a true underlying system of energy (your brains mechanics). And from your reading your posts, and this is completely just from my subjective observations, but it seems to me as though you still have yourself highly intertwined with some metaphors. Disconnect all metaphor, all words, from yourself.

If you get lost in your metaphor, if the thoughts in your head venture into the realm of pure insanity, pure hell. All you have to do is, stop operating your brain at the level of metaphor. Start focusing on just pure feeling.

It's an exercise I did almost everyday. When I have a stream of worried thoughts going through my head, crazy thoughts. I sit down and focus on them. I don't focus on trying to think more words, more metaphors. I focus on the energy that is creating those thoughts and words in my head. Cause, if your like me, I find when I get a real nasty or crazy thought going in my head, it just sort of goes separate from my own will, even if I'd like it to stop. So what I do in these cases is, instead of focusing on the CONTENT of that thought, the words. I focus on the feeling associated with that thought, the energy behind that thought.

I say to myself, all word is metaphor, it's not real, it is all metaphor. The only thing thats real is the feeling behind the metaphor.

And it is when I get in touch with the feeling behind the crazy thought, that crazy metaphor. When I get a good grip and sense on what the feeling is. I find, that the troubling metaphor my brain was seemingly automatically attaching to the feeling. Well, it's one metaphor of THOUSANDS I could be attaching to that feeling. And really, the feeling, the energy, behind the metaphor, no matter how crazy the metaphor was. The feeling behind is actually just, incredibly down to earth and incredibly human.

Like for example, last month or so, I kept having this thought replay through my head over and over of when I did this rather embarrassing thing to this girl. At the metaphor level, I would try to metaphorically think my way out of it "no she doesn't really think that, because X, Y and Z" or "hey whats it matter because of A, B and C?" But even when dealing with the thought very well in the metaphorical level as I felt I was doing. The thought would still come back every few days or so. It would keep coming back, troubling my mind. Until I recognized the underlying feeling underneath the thought.

What was truly troubling my mind, was not this experience my mind kept playing back. What was troubling me was the underlying energy. Which it's a very common energy, that one of you know, needing a female companion to feel content. Which I think in this point of my life, is a constantly recurring energy. Just, I was allowing my mind to attach this metaphor of this embarrassing thing I did with this girl to it. So when the energy would come up, unknowing to me, my mind presented it to me as this embarrassing thing and I'd think "no I don't want this, go away". But like I said it'd keep coming back, troubling me, I didn't want this embarrassing thought running through my head. But once I then realized the ENERGY behind this thought, I realized how absolutely absurd it was in my wishing this thought to go away. How could I want the energy that is giving me the will to pursue female companionship go away?

Then once I realized the energy behind it, I then also remembered all the other occurances in my life that had also been attached to that same energy. Many other embarrasing, or non-embarrassing and happy occurances that came from that energy. Which upon seeing this, I have since then attached a new metaphor to that energy. And when that energy now comes back, which like I said at this point in my life, it seems it inevitably will. It comes with a nice metaphor that aids my daily thoughts.

Like I said before, I post this just cause it seems to me like your holding onto some metaphors, unnecessarily.

"This" thought you have does not necessarily mean "That".
It's just an underlying abstract, un-metaphored, energy. The metaphors your attaching to these energies are the illusions, the crazy aspects. The energies however, are quite real. Don't try to suppress any energies, they will come back, it's their nature. Just get in touch with what that energy is, by FEELING it. Ignore that metaphors that come with the energy, the feeling. Just feel it. Get a grip on controlling the feeling directly.

Then you don't have to work with your feelings at a metaphorical level, a level of words. When meandering thoughts come up, you don't have to sit frantically worrying and thinking through them. You can just feel the energies in yourself. You can control the energies directly, you can balance them. If one energy is uncomfortable and producing unwanted thoughts in your head, then you change the energy.

Getting in touch with your feelings does not mean you become more frantic and paranoid about feelings. It means you get better control of your feelings, to better aid you in feeling sane, normal and yourself.

Which you may think "but if I dont work in the metaphorical level of my mind, then Ill just be floating in energy fantasy land forever". Which, I would be willing to guarantee to you. When you require the metaphors, the energy will come out as metaphor. All you have to do in your personal time is stay in touch and balanced with the energy.

 

PeterPopper, I dont know you very well but from reading your posts I think I know what you need. You think you made alot of realizations when you were tripping? Take a month or two off of drugs completely (if you can) and you will make just as many realizations as you did when you were tripping. Psychedelics are not the answer. You are the answer psychedelics just help you understand "you" better. Dont abuse these amazing substances.

 

Peter, you will get through this point in your life. Ride out the storm and reread the advice that people like RELAYER, 3xi, rygoody and myself have given you in this forum.

"(lsd) it has the potential to greatly shut you out of other (doors)" It is all in your mind, it is all your choice, not the drugs choice. I could choose to ignore the truths which I have learned through meditation and hallucinogenic drug use but then at the end of the day I would just be another pathetic phony sheep. It is sad to endure the close-minded masses daily but in time you will learn that they are suffering on the inside when they pass judgment on you. I know plenty about being blacklisted for my drug use as I am a former heroin addict. In actuality I found that it was a step towards higher thinking because I can really see the truth in people easily. If someone is sympathetic and has no qualms about being seen in public with me, I am assured that they are not a complete phony.
You talk of days when police could arrest you within seconds. Are you sure that time is an actual factor? You claim that this is 1000s of years away. All I can tell you is to think long and hard about this over the next few years and try not to assume that technology is as restricted and unadvanced as you are assuming.