So, when is the U.S. gonna start the air strikes in Syria?

As they should be.

Let's get back to the original topic.

 

You do realise this is almost void of any content, don't you?

 

The first question asked (but not answered) after the brief press conference was(to paraphrase): will a vote matter.

 

I probably didn't articulate that right but what I was trying to say is that hotwater tends to highlight one side of an issue, whichever fits his agenda. He would never bring up the fact that black people kidnapped people of their own race and sold them to whites, because that is at odds with his hatred for white people and his agenda to make white people seem as though they are responsible for every downfall and hardship of the black race.

Hotwater is a racist, plain and simple. And he has to bring up race even when it relates to nothing.

I would also argue about hearing things like that only from kkk members or skinheads. Come live in the Old South for awhile.

 

A country that has no BACON can not stand..

 

"We"? I don't think you speak for the African American community. Not trying to be a dick.

 

And you know what?
I've never had a problem with you and I'd be happy to put all of that behind us. So, dropped :2thumbsup:

Oh... I see by the two things you quoted by me that the vague impression I had gotten the other day (on possibly waiting for congress to convene-vote)...was spot on.

Will a vote matter?
Hmmm, Odon, I don't know. It could all be a smoke screen.
Or not.

I'm POSSIBLY in the process of changing my opinion on this whole topic btw.
I have mixed feelings about this all right now.
I DO wish for SURE the rebels would have been helped over two years ago before al Qaeda got so involved and so many factions and extremists...

 

I've been there all of my life.

I've been around lots of racists. Never heard one say anything good about slavery, or heard one try to put a more positive spin on the story.

 

This thread is about Syria... not racism between black and whites and the U.S. slavery history or anything else not somehow regarding Syria... okay?
Aerianne moved the thread so it would possibly stay more on topic so let's all just drop that aspect of it, okay?

 

I'll go back on topic...

As I was saying about my views slightly changing on the topic of Syria...

I still don't think the U.S. should be the world police- and really there is always so much messed up stuff in the world that the U.S. CAN'T fix everything everywhere and should focus on internal issues...

However... I'm developing confusion on this topic. Not even confusion but really just a great sense that there IS no right answer or good answer to the Syria topic right now. All options seem to suck.
Does anyone else have that feeling at all??

 

America is the world

 

I wasn't talking about racists, and I wasn't 'putting a positive spin on the story'.. try a realistic spin.

I meant that in general in the deep south you have whites who aren't inflicted with white guilt, and blacks who don't blame all of their problems on something that happened over 150 years ago.

There is far far less racism and racial tension/hatred here than DC and places up north I've spent time.

But I'm done with this discussion, I don't care enough to try to convince the PC police of reality.

Back on topic, AT I think we are in a situation now where:

- if we do go, we kill many innocent people and possibly erupt the entire region and ultimately the world into war.

- if we don't go, we look like pushovers since lord Obama has already talked a bunch of shit about attacking them.

So we are in a messed up position now. Damned if we, damned if we don't.

 

You know...
Coming from you- I actually believe you're serious

Damned if we do and damned if we don't is what I was thinking.
No good answer that I can think of really.

 

That still isn't enough reason to go. What we need is a presidential recall.

 

I remember watching the movie Hotel Rwanda when it first came out several years ago. I was too little to understand the Rwanda genocide when it happened, and I remember being deeply disturbed while watching the movie because I realized that scenes from the genocide were being shown on the nightly news in western countries and no one did anything.

The Syria situation feels like that. On a human level, it deeply troubles me that something like that is happening, and I feel like the western world should try to help or do something. I don't feel like it should be ignored.

I just really don't think military intervention led by the US is the answer. I think its the worst possible answer.

 

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ive to work on my photohop skills,, but i think its great..

 

Those guys are cute! :2thumbsup:

It's just about always that way with international politics, especially in the Middle East. When it doesn't feel that way, that usually means that we dont' have all the facts.

John McCain was saying recently that there is one moderate opposition faction over there that we could be helping. I wonder if that's true. I didn't vote for him, but he isn't a total dummy when it comes to anything military. I'd like to know more about that group.

 

First and foremost, why in the fuck is there post after post of slavery and racism? Fucking retarded.

Secondly, I highly doubt there were any chemical attacks, and if there were, they've probably been going on a long, long time. If this happened, this wasn't the firs time, and it wont be the last time. Think logically, does the US really give a fuck if citizens in foreign countries die? No... Do they give a fuck about money? Oil? Power? Yes... It's over greed, so why would any of you want this war to happen to 'save the syrian people' when its not even about that? If anything the U.S. soldiers are just going to kill more of them, remember all of the 'accidental' drone strikes?

Its more than just war with Syria, many countries are involved, which could potentially mean a WW3, and a WW3 could potentially mean the end of the world in itself. I'm sorry but I must smh at anyone supporting this, its ridiculous. Even if there were chemical attacks, fuck it, who cares? Is it worth starting a WW3? Or another expensive, deadly, prolonged war? No...

People die every day, mass amounts of people are murdered every day, there are wars going on every day, we all need to get over it. Nothing will fix it... causing a new war to help others in an old war? So some people died... now we want to kill more people to fix it? Fuck...

 

I think its funny the mass hysteria this is causing about syria , I mean this is what our president wants

 

Yeah, I can look at this situation in so many different ways or layers... I get bad feelings (varying in degree, but generally going towards "very, very bad") no matter how I look @ the whole fiasco though.

What DO you think would be the best option then, Meli? I ask because I am truly curious what you think because I am just not sure... I don't see a lot of "good options"--- so considering you think it shouldn't be ignored but the U.S. doing what they want to do is the worst possible solution... wondering...?

First paragraph^^^ ---I get what you are saying there.
And just curious... do you have any idea which/what opposition factor he was referring to?

Your first paragraph made me laugh- because... it was funny and so true.
Anyways... yeah, I do totally agree with you...and I had made another thread about this topic (in random thoughts), which ended up getting closed because it kept going off topic (like this one with the slavery thing- so hopefully this one can get and stay off that topic!), and one of the first things I said then- and I'll say again now is I do believe it is possible this would start ww3 (it can be debated by some people that it pretty much already has started, but don't feel like debating that now...)--there are defiantly way too many players involved in this situation- that have some kind of stake in this and the possible outcomes- for me not to have a "very uncomfortable" and just generally bad feeling over this.. basically, nothing good can come of it. Saudi Arabia, Israel, Iran, Russia, Lebanon--- the different possibilities are not good to think about (to say the least) and if you look at how things have already been set up over there it is VERY easy to see the possible ways this would start ww3. And I think the U.S. government knows this-I'd hate to think something along those lines would be the reason for "needing to act- to PUNISH... always remember and note that the words used by the POTUS and other gov. officials is PUNISH... needing to punish the Assad regime... they never say they are doing this to help the Syrian people, but to PUNISH....anyways though...)... yeah, I'd hate to think that is the reasoning behind this-- it's not much better to think creating more terrorism to keep up the "war on terror" and a push by Saudi Arabia are more the real reasons, but it's very likely.
If I look @ things in a cut and dry (trusting) fashion, then, yes.. it is horrible what has BEEN going on in Syria for over two years and it would be nice to help the innocents who need help...
unfortunally the time to do that has come and gone... but it wasn't convenient for the U.S. to do anything back when there was a chance of HELPING without creating an even worse disaster...
So, no, I do not think the U.S. should do this... I am glad they are now waiting for congress to convene to make any decisions..maybe, just maybe this will not happen.
I just get a bad feeling about the whole thing...

Again (maybe not again to YOU specifically but I've been saying this over and over the past few days on here), it is way beyond "the president"-- focusing on Obama is a diversion.