"socialism does everything to destroy…"

freedom is a word that people throw around to control peoples minds... the only freedom you can give yourself is to free your mind.
You just want to be free to abuse and exploit others... which is why you think we must hve a free market to be "free"... well all those slaving under the free market do not feel free... and by getting rid of it they feel a new found "freedom"

The thousands of men women and children working for next to nothing under multinational corporations, the heart of free market, definitely do not feel "free".

 

YOUR GOVERNMENT CONTRIBUTES TO THE MOST POLLUTION IN THE WORLD. Lobbyists and politicians are more trustworthy than businessmen?

If a business fucks up, they pay the price of losing business. The politicians and lobbyists do what the fuck they want with no consequence. And don't give me the argument they would be voted out of office...you know better. The people do not control politicians...MONEY DOES, just like businessmen.

 

all people arent evil but people are greedy and selfish and in many cases will do anything to make a profit many liberatarians(i call them anarchists) glorify this (ayn rand for example)...slavey existed for hundreds of years, didnt it?
and stop sayign govt is forcing this, its not being forced if its their property, money is never really urs, its the govts property, they let u use it, but its theirs, they have a right even a responsibility to redistribute this so people dont starve to death...

 

My money is the government's property? Ok, I see where this is going.

Look, we are going to disagree on the reaches of Big Brother, my friend. I think you have some good ideas and a good heart, but we are not going to see eye to eye on these issues, apparently. Economically, anyhow.

We'd probably agree more on social issues.

 

Regulations exist to protect people... we have food regulation to make sure that we dont have mad cow disease in all of our beef, to make sure that there isnt any deadly chemical being put into what goes into our bodies... regulations exist to help the environment... to make sure corporations arent dumping and polluting our earths resources... regulations on cars exist to make sure that they work safely, and that we wont have to worry about the car exploding... we have safety standards which car companies must meet... most of these regulations are meant for protection, to get rid of them all is foolishness.

Corporations would be left to do as they please to the environment, and as they've already shown the world they have no problem polluting rivers, streams and the ocean when they have the chance to.

 

did u call mui a lobbyist?
lol
sweden, finland, norawy have the lowest outputs of hazardous waste, atop that list is USA
if have corporate assholes liek Ira Renolds (look him up) who release more toxic chemicals than the entire country of netherlands(to me thats pretty startling). he was shut down in socialist germany and took retreat here(opening up more business as we speak) where he contious to destroy the world while not being punished

 

freemarket isnt free, slave society u could argue was a free market, that wasnt free.
under pinochet they had a free market the peopel certainly werent free...

 

"The brainwashed do not know they are being brainwashed"

GOVERNMENT = GOOD
BUSINESS = EVIL

 

You have your nanny if you like, I just disagree.

 

What is stopping these massive multi billion dollar corporations from being coercive... you honestly think that the small government will be able to stop companies like Walmart and Microsoft from exploiting others...? These corporations would simply have more power over society than the government, they'd do as they damn well pleased, and there wouldnt be a damn thing the government could do about it... in fact, these corporations would probably use their wealth to make sure that the government doesnt step into their plans... they would control the government in itself. If america became libertarian, how would they stop companies from going to OTHER countries and being exploitive...? They couldn't...

 

Yes, a minimal gov't would stop coercion, because that would be its ONLY job. It wouldn't be wasting money on a fucking overseas war or trying to interfere in everyone's life by creating programs and institutions which DO NOT WORK.

 

How would it do that...??
The government would have no chance of being able to stop coercion, or no incentive to do that in the first place... the government would likely be controlled by the rich and wealthy, who in return would make reforms that help their corporations.. how would the government step into what happens in OTHER countries and stop the coercion their... they couldnt.

 

It's not controlled by the rich (and the lobbyists) NOW????

 

Oh yes, that really disproves what iw as saying about regulations helping people... lol..

I never said government was good... Government = EVIL, Business = EVIL... corporations have proven that they are evil time and time again.

Socialists do not support powerful governments, socialism is the step in between government and non government to help get rid of the existing government.

it is controlled by the rich and wealthy now, and libertarianism would do the exact same thing... i dont see how it would be any different... the government wouldnt be able to stop coercion, the HUGE, vastly INSANELY rich corporations have enough power to do as they please... what is going to stop them... a government which gets very very little money, and is controlled by rich people...?

 

no welfare, no regulation, no price control, no fed taxes, no fed government = feudalism

 

I understand your theories and I agree with you more than you think, but I just disagree with believing that redistribution would work. I think it would allow more intervention in private affairs...more than you and I realize.

 

COERCIVE TAXATION, REGULATION, BLUE LAWS, VICTIMLESS CRIMES = TYRANNY.

 

i can live with that, 1 thing, is it is working the country with the smallest rich poor gap is socialist (Finland), the richest nation in the world (luxembourg) is socialist...i dont wanna bombard u guys with facts, but it does work, and the people are happy, its jsut once u move to a country u agree wo uphold their laws, whether or not u agree with all of em... that works for both arguments i guess leave it at that

 

socialists want to get rid of victimless crimes too... we stand the same as libertarians on political issues.
not all regulation is bad.. altho some of it is... for instance, environmental regulation and child labor laws are good forms of regulation... as having to get a license in order to get a license in order to get a license in order to get a license in order to fish/hunt/own a gun is a bad form of regulation